Article: Twins Trade Francisco Liriano To White Sox

[Pius Jefferson]

Maybe it was false hope to think the Twins could have gotten a B/B+ prospect for Liriano.

[Bark's Lounge]

Say NO to "Chump Trading"!

[gunnarthor]

Just an observation.... MN seems to be more likely to trade for a player w/MLB experience than bring up their own How often have the Twins called up a player to make their debut @ 23 or younger (not including Sept callups).....not often Both players obtained today @ 23 made their MLB debuts this year Delmon, CGomez both made their debuts with another team @ 21...Lester Oliveras was 23 w/DET Of this roster....Mauer is one @ 21, Alex Burnett was 22, Liam Hendriks was 22 (Sept) , Perk was 23 (Sept..4gms) Alexi was 21 (Sept), Justin 22, Revere 22 (Sept), Benson/Parmellee (both 23 & Sept callups).

In recent years, Morneau, Kubel, Santana, Garza, Baker, Slowey

[DaveW]

Instead we got a hepatitis C prospect

[jorgenswest]

Should it have made a difference where they traded him? They are not competing for the division this year. Liriano could have been in Chicago next year regardless of where he was traded.

 

As for value, a C pitcher and a C hitter are pretty equivalent to a sandwich pick. There are questions whether it would have been wise to offer Liriano the 12.5 million so the Twins might have received nothing.

 

If Escobar is the real deal with the glove, he will be valuable while under team control. Guys that can pick it at SS are not that easy to find for league minimum. I guess it is a plus that Hernandez is left handed. Both are young.

 

Six weeks ago Liriano had no value with absolutely no chance the Twins would make a qualifying offer. Getting two C prospects for a pitcher who has had so many poor outings since the last two seasons can't be seen as a bad trade. Does anyone think Ryan turned down better offers? Let's spend the 12.5 million elsewhere next year and we have what looks like two guys who will have major league careers. What do we lose? The remaining Liriano starts in 2012. Nothing else.

[Pius Jefferson]

Although this trade smells of the rotting private parts of a dead giraffe in the hot African sun... maybe there is a silver lining to this trade. I do not want to mention his given christian name' date=' but the Latino Pitcher Whisperer should now be given his walking papers... oh ****... we still have Deduno. My bad.[/quote']

 

Mauer caught Deduno.

[drjim]

Reminds me of the Castillo trade.

 

One thing about the comp pick is that a team would have to beat the 12.4 mil for 1 year and forfeit their own first round pick. I don't see a team dojng that. Twins would have been stuck with Liriano. If this was the best the Twins can do that says a lot about the market.

 

I also found it interesting that Ryan traded him the day before his last scheduled start. He wanted no part of Liriano making another start and erasing all trade value.

[Brandon]

This reminds me of the Luid Castillo trade. Then we got Butera and the OF that was a AAA OF. Looks like we just got the next generation Punto and a lefty who may be a reliever we'll see.

 

I had hoped to hear a we got B or B+ prospect. But it could be worse.

[Bark's Lounge]

I'll bet Liriano was inoculated with a latent microbe by the Twins medical staff and shipped to the ChiSux in order to infect them in the coming years. Crapsylitocus, I believe it is called. Symptoms are diverse and not well documented but they are chronic and invasive.

Biological Warfare? Damn baseball is pretty damn serious these days... I like it!

[drjim]

The ONLY was I cancel think to justify this trade is if they thing or know that Liriano is hurt, possibly seriously hurt. IOtherwise, this is just foolish.

Better the Twins got nothing? Or less?

[Ultima Ratio]

This just shows how much Liriano's last outing affected his value. I have to believe this is the case more than TR and the front officers are inept and couldn't get anything more. Of course, I reserve the right to be wrong about the front officers.

[Ultima Ratio]

Biological Warfare? Damn baseball is pretty damn serious these days... I like it!

Since conventional baseball hasn't worked recently, I think they may try guerrilla baseball tactics.

[Brandon]

who is paying the remaining 2 million on Liriano's contract? I guess that could swing the pendulum of value some.

[Bark's Lounge]

Mauer caught Deduno.

I know, I know. But I am covering all of my bases, Tonight was a big disappointment. If Liriano can be traded for petrified pieces of cat ****, I feel we are deserved of a Drew Butera ousting... right?

[Ultima Ratio]

I'm sure that remaining and saved 2 million is now earmarked for SP FA in the offseason rather than just... well.... saved. [sarcasm]

[70charger]

This just shows how much Liriano's last outing affected his value. I have to believe this is the case more than TR and the front officers are inept and couldn't get anything more. Of course, I reserve the right to be wrong about the front officers.

I doubt that it was his last outing. I think it was more like his last 5 years. Those who thought Liriano was a #1 or #2 were just deluding themselves. He was/is absolutely not in the same league as some of the other trade bait this year like Greinke, Hamels, and probably even Dempster. (And no, I don't mean the AL.)

[Rivas#1Fan]

Since conventional baseball hasn't worked recently, I think they may try guerrilla baseball tactics.

Where's the next Henry Rowengartner when you need him?

[Jim Crikket]

Reminds me of the Castillo trade.

 

One thing about the comp pick is that a team would have to beat the 12.4 mil for 1 year and forfeit their own first round pick. I don't see a team dojng that. Twins would have been stuck with Liriano. If this was the best the Twins can do that says a lot about the market.

 

I also found it interesting that Ryan traded him the day before his last scheduled start. He wanted no part of Liriano making another start and erasing all trade value.

Finally... someone who gets it.

 

After the big turd Liriano laid last week, NOBODY was going to give up anything worthwhile for him. The Twins couldn't afford to take the chance that he might take the $12.4 million qualifying offer (which he almost certainly WOULD, unless he happened to pitch lights-out the rest of the season).

[greengoblinrulz]

Just an observation....

MN seems to be more likely to trade for a player w/MLB experience than bring up their own

How often have the Twins called up a player to make their debut @ 23 or younger (not including Sept callups).....not often

Both players obtained today @ 23 made their MLB debuts this year

Delmon, CGomez both made their debuts with another team @ 21...Lester Oliveras was 23 w/DET

Of this roster....Mauer is one @ 21, Alex Burnett was 22, Liam Hendriks was 22 (Sept) , Perk was 23 (Sept..4gms) Alexi was 21 (Sept), Justin 22, Revere 22 (Sept), Benson/Parmellee (both 23 & Sept callups).

Kevin Slowey was 23....Scott Baker was 23....Anthony Swarzak was 23.....Adam Johnson was 23....Jose MiJares was 23 (Sept) ...Rob Bowen was 23 (Sept) ....Michael Restovich was 23 (Sept).....Matt Garza was 22....Wilson Ramos was 22......Jason Kubel was 22 (Sept).....JD Durbin was 22 (Sept).....Jessie Crain was 21.....Francisco Liriano was 21 (Sept)

All I found in the Gardy era

Non Sept debuts.....10 players in 10 years in Gardy era made their debuts with him at 23 yrs old or younger.

[elephanthater]

referencing an earlier post about how we shouldn't worry cause we still have willingham and span-they won't trade them. they have team friendly contracts and for some reason want to keep a team that can win 70 games. i would rather suffer through 3 years worse than this than be where we are now for the next 6.

[Pius Jefferson]

Instead we got a hepatitis C prospect

Is it that hard to believe that's what a rent-a-player with a 5.30 ERA and potential to be dominate would get?

 

 

A couple of other things.

 

1) Why not wait a couple of days? I doubt a bad start later today would have made any difference given they got a utility infielder and back of the end rotation guy.

 

2) Pitching ....Pitching. This organization needs pitching and they get a P and a SS.

 

3) I'd be curious what else what available. Both from other teams and the White Sox. I hope we don't find out lower level pitchers with more upside were passed over for a pitcher considered more major league ready.

[70charger]

Is it that hard to believe that's what a rent-a-player with a 5.30 ERA and potential to be dominate would get?

 

 

 

This. And as far as I'm concerned, if that potential to be dominant hasn't shown up consistently in the last six years, it's not gonna.

[Riverbrian]

how much can you really expect for a rental of an enigma?

 

 

Kudos... Perfect line to describe the situation.

 

It seems that no one likes their X mas present.

 

The Twins were not going to offer him 12 million for the comp pick because he might take it.

 

His trade value was about to hit the wall at the trade deadline. If no one offered a better package of players. You have to take the deal or you get nothing. And then we have a handful of starts in a Twins uniform(the farewell tour) on a team that isn't going to make the playoffs... Even if we score 30 runs this weekend against the Indians.

 

With Span you can set the price high and keep him if the price isnt paid... With Morneau you can do the same because they are coming back. Under contract... It says so... With Willingham the same. Liriano was gone... There was almost no possibility of him playing for the Twins in 2013.

 

Liriano wasn't going to be offered a contract next year. They can't spend that kind of money on someone who melts down as often as he has and believe me the Twins have had a front row seat for everyone of those meltdowns.

 

I'm disappointed... I had dreams of a boatload of pitching prospects coming back but to be indignant over the deal is to assume that the Twins turned down something larger to make this trade.

 

Does anyone believe that TR turned down Terehen and Delgado to make this deal instead. C'mon... can we give him the benefit of the doubt that he looked at what was out there and chose the best package.

[one_eyed_jack]

It's disappointing not to get more. But think about it from the perspective of the other teams. If you were the GM of the Braves, Cards, Angels, etc., would you have been willing to part with your best prospects for 2 months of Liriano?

 

I wouldn't have.

[Willihammer]

Suppose there's a game 163 between Detroit and Chicago, and it comes down to a battle between Frankie and Delmon - what would happen? Would that violate the laws of physics or something? They couldn't both lose the game for their team on the same play.

My moneys would be on Frankie for the strikeout, because in Delmon's mind, home plate encompasses the square footage of a small KFC drive through.

[Rivas#1Fan]

My moneys would be on Frankie for the strikeout, because in Delmon's mind, home plate encompasses the square footage of a small KFC drive through.

Had to make it a KFC huh?

[DaveW]

I'm intrigued by the SS to be honest. We need SP no doubt but our MI depth in the org is awful. His results have been bad but maybe the Twins see something that can be improved. 23 isnt young, but at least there is still some potential improvement moving forward.

[Pius Jefferson]

The ONLY was I can think to justify this trade is if they thing or know that Liriano is hurt, possibly seriously hurt. Otherwise, this is just foolish.

That or this was going rate for a guy with 'potential'.

[greengoblinrulz]

John, you missed it.

Escobar was 10th by Baseball America entering the 2012 season.

He was also 5th for the Sox entering the 2011 season

He was also 19th entering the 2010 season.

Still suxx no matter where he was listed

Dont we already have this guy, just names Pedro Florimon in AAA??

[Kobs]

I'm intrigued by the SS to be honest.

It's not every day you can bring in a guy who can't hit for average, but makes up for it by being unable to draw a walk.