Article: Twins Trade Francisco Liriano To White Sox

[Rivas#1Fan]

It's not every day you can bring in a guy who can't hit for average, but makes up for it by being unable to draw a walk.

Well it's not every day, but it is every day game after a night game.

[Ultima Ratio]

Well it's not every day, but it is every day game after a night game.

Rim shot. Good one

[Willihammer]

Had to make it a KFC huh?

Simma da'own, P.C. Brigadier, I have 4 times the post you have thus I am 4 times the authority on (fried chicken? let's face it - true) racial stereotypes (I'm white, and I like fried chicken, too FYI) Until you make one more post anyway (do it, do it, do it, do it, 1, 2, 3, now, do it, 1, 2, 3

[Bark's Lounge]

Kudos... Perfect line to describe the situation.

 

It seems that no one likes their X mas present.

 

The Twins were not going to offer him 12 million for the comp pick because he might take it.

 

His trade value was about to hit the wall at the trade deadline. If no one offered a better package of players. You have to take the deal or you get nothing. And then we have a handful of starts in a Twins uniform(the farewell tour) on a team that isn't going to make the playoffs... Even if we score 30 runs this weekend against the Indians.

 

With Span you can set the price high and keep him if the price isnt paid... With Morneau you can do the same because they are coming back. Under contract... It says so... With Willingham the same. Liriano was gone... There was almost no possibility of him playing for the Twins in 2013.

 

Liriano wasn't going to be offered a contract next year. They can't spend that kind of money on someone who melts down as often as he has and believe me the Twins have had a front row seat for everyone of those meltdowns.

 

I'm disappointed... I had dreams of a boatload of pitching prospects coming back but to be indignant over the deal is to assume that the Twins turned down something larger to make this trade.

 

Does anyone believe that TR turned down Terehen and Delgado to make this deal instead. C'mon... can we give him the benefit of the doubt that he looked at what was out there and chose the best package.

For what the Twins received (organizational filler at best). Mr.Ryan could have sat on it 3 extra days to see if something unfolded that would be more benefitial to the Minnesota Twins cause trade wise. As we stand now, we have jack ****, compared to having Liriano. If it boils down to offering Liriano Arbitration in free agency - no thanks, but it is an option. I would have been stead fast, kept Liriano, held my honor and pride and not have been a trade chump.

[greengoblinrulz]

Who plays SS in ROC now....Escobar a great field, no hit player or Pedro Florimon a great field no hit player????

[Pius Jefferson]

Is this new pitcher getting called up from Rochester?

[glunn]

On the bright side, this trade is going to save me the money I would have had to spend on cotton candy for the nephew, when I'm able to leave early after Duensing gives up 8 runs in 5 innings.

Well said. I am not even going to bother to set the DVR for tomorrow's game.

[greengoblinrulz]

Have we heard who is called up from ROC......Oliveras is my guess for now.

[Rivas#1Fan]

For what the Twins received (organizational filler at best). Mr.Ryan could have sat on it 3 extra days to see if something unfolded that would be more benefitial to the Minnesota Twins cause trade wise. As we stand now' date=' we have jack ****, compared to having Liriano. If it boils down to offering Liriano Arbitration in free agency - no thanks, but it is an option. I would have been stead fast, kept Liriano, held my honor and pride and not have been a trade chump.[/quote']

 

It would have been interesting to see how this would have played out if Liriano's spot in the rotation didn't come up until Tuesday or Wednesday rather than Sunday. Perhaps it would have been easier to play the waiting game without a potential value crushing performance waiting in the wings before the deadline.

[glunn]

I started a joke, which started the whole world crying,

But I didn't see that the joke was on me, oh no.

Til I finally died, which started the whole world living,

Oh, if I'd only seen that the joke was on me.

[Kobs]

It would have been interesting to see how this would have played out if Liriano's spot in the rotation didn't come up until Tuesday or Wednesday rather than Sunday. Perhaps it would have been easier to play the waiting game without a potential value crushing performance waiting in the wings before the deadline.

Definitely, if Liriano had **** the bed in his next start, the Twins might not have gotten anything of value for him.

[glunn]

The ONLY was I can think to justify this trade is if they thing or know that Liriano is hurt, possibly seriously hurt. Otherwise, this is just foolish.

Isn't there some protocol for disclosing injuries? And if the Twins' renowned medical staff is telling Ryan that someone is hurt, that might not be the most reliable information.

[nicksaviking]

The biggest probelm for me is that they traded him for two bums who are required to be on the 40-man. Why the hell would Ryan do this? These guys look to be DFA candidates the second their option years are up, but in the mean time who are we kicking off? Guerra? Slama? Waldrop? Tosoni? Surely Ryan could have recieved better quality prospects if he had picked players lower in a team's system. I don't think he thought this one through at all. Terrible decision; I'd have rather hung onto Liriano and rolled the dice that he was worthy of a qualifying offer. Obviously the Twins wouldn't have missed out on much even if they lost him for nothing in the offseason and there would be room to add Hicks and/or anyone else who needed to be added come this winter.

[70charger]

My moneys would be on Frankie for the strikeout, because in Delmon's mind, home plate encompasses the square footage of a small KFC drive through.

That's not fair! Delmon has never missed anything in a KFC drive through!

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

Do we trust these guys to trade Span now??

[Kobs]

The following conversation taking place would really be the only way this trade is remotely tolerable:

 

JR: If Mauer and Doumit are healthy, no one else should start at catcher.

Burl: Well, Lirianosie really likes having Butsey behind the plate, and I like having a "B" on the lineup ca...

JR: Can I put you on hold for a second?

Burl: Sure.

...

JR: You still there?

Burl: I'm still here.

JR: I just traded Liriano to the Chicago. You were saying?

[greengoblinrulz]

At least if we trade Span, we have multiple OFs in the system just about ready.

There isnt a pitcher in sight anywhere (tho I like Hendriks alot still)

[Bark's Lounge]

Til I finally died, which started the whole world living,

Oh, if I'd only seen that the joke was on me.

Excellent Glunn, excellent! Early Bee Gees are my preferred.

[one_eyed_jack]

A little perspective for those of you who are ripping this trade - let's not forget that we're talking about a starting pitcher who 2 months ago was pulled from what is without question the worst starting rotation in the American League, and probably in all of baseball.

 

It was simply wishful thinking to believe that we'd get much more than we did for him.

[glunn]

For what the Twins received (organizational filler at best). Mr.Ryan could have sat on it 3 extra days to see if something unfolded that would be more benefitial to the Minnesota Twins cause trade wise. As we stand now' date=' we have jack ****, compared to having Liriano. If it boils down to offering Liriano Arbitration in free agency - no thanks, but it is an option. I would have been stead fast, kept Liriano, held my honor and pride and not have been a trade chump.[/quote']

 

That makes sense to me Mr. Lounge. And i would add that sending him to the White Sox is demoralizing to us fans, who have already suffered enough. This will work out only if Liriano sucks going forward. Otherwise, this will be sickening.

[70charger]

A little perspective for those of you who are ripping this trade - let's not forget that we're talking about a starting pitcher who 2 months ago was pulled from what is without question the worst starting rotation in the American League, and probably in all of baseball.

 

It was simply wishful thinking to believe that we'd get much more than we did for him.

I'm not piling on, I'm just contributing to critical mass.

 

On top of what this excellent post says, Liriano's current season ERA+ is 77. He's far, far below average. Last year, his whole-season ERA+ was 80. Let's face it. He's NOT A GOOD PITCHER!

[Kobs]

A little perspective for those of you who are ripping this trade - let's not forget that we're talking about a starting pitcher who 2 months ago was pulled from what is without question the worst starting rotation in the American League, and probably in all of baseball.

 

It was simply wishful thinking to believe that we'd get much more than we did for him.

Is it wishful thinking to believe that the Twins could ask for players who aren't as obviously terrible as Eduardo Escobar?

[70charger]

Is it wishful thinking to believe that the Twins could ask for players who aren't as obviously terrible as Eduardo Escobar?

Ask for? Yes.

 

Get? No.

 

Next question.

[Riverbrian]

For what the Twins received (organizational filler at best). Mr.Ryan could have sat on it 3 extra days to see if something unfolded that would be more benefitial to the Minnesota Twins cause trade wise. As we stand now' date=' we have jack ****, compared to having Liriano. If it boils down to offering Liriano Arbitration in free agency - no thanks, but it is an option. I would have been stead fast, kept Liriano, held my honor and pride and not have been a trade chump.[/quote']

 

I don't think the start tomorrow would have made a difference. Let's assume it was the best offer. Trust me... It's easier to swallow if you assume that.

 

The best offer came from the team that LIT him up in his last start. His value was going to be the same.

 

Now this is a guess... Maybe the White Sox threw in one of the players or upgraded one of the players if the Twins would agree before Liriano starts tomorrow.

 

Another guess is that the deal was out there... Maybe TR spent today on the phone calling the Orioles...nthe Pirates...The Dodgers and said... I'm gonna have to take this trade with the White Sox... It's my best offer. Are you sure we can't talk about Britton... Player X and Y and Z for the any team he's been talking with.

 

One last chance before I pull the trigger. Ok... Good luck to you... Keep in touch...

 

Maybe TR got Liriano... The lesser deal out the way so he can focus on trading Span for a bigger deal in the next few days.

 

Who knows... But I think we are all dealing with trying to find a place to store the feeling of over cooked expectations. I know I am but it is what it is.

[glunn]

Definitely, if Liriano had **** the bed in his next start, the Twins might not have gotten anything of value for him.

It is sounding like they got nothing of value, but only time will tell.

[Highabove]

Outside of Slowey and Silva,

A good number of ex Twins Pitchers ended up finding themselves, once they left the Twins.

I will throw in Jose Mijares who was a head case here, flourishing with the Royals.

We all know the rest of the list.

The possiblity exist for a little more frustration.

[70charger]

Outside of Slowey and Silva,

A good number of ex Twins Pitchers ended up finding themselves, once they left the Twins.

I will throw in Jose Mijares who was a head case here, flourishing with the Royals.

We all know the rest of the list.

Be ready for more frustration.

I call B.S. And this has been covered in other threads. I don't think the numbers are on your side.

 

Certainly, some pitchers have gotten better post-Twins. Many others have gotten better after joining the Twins. Many others we will never know about because they didn't move. The idea that we should be ready for frustration at the hands of Liriano is speculation piled on top of speculation, all of which flies in the face of actual history.

[johnnydakota]

Just remember that while Billy was the GM he deferred all scouting and personnel moves to TR and his good ole boys. Billy is responsible for the Mauer contract and other terrible contracts but TR and the Good Ole Boys are the reason there is no talent in the organization. This trade is more of the same.

im betting this trade was ordered by owner jim pohlad to help derail the tigers as punishment for spending big in free agency , so ryan can say look the tiger spent and didnt win,,,,

[jorgenswest]

We traded 12 starts. We did not trade any member of the 2013 team.

[Highabove]

Phil Mackey is already heating up his (Twins fans are stupid routine.)