John Kelsey Verified Member Posted July 8, 2016 Posted July 8, 2016 Here's a link to the midseason list: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-top-100-prospects/#ZSHJ2TEC8KdlfR0o.97 Twins on the list:20. Berrios 34. Gordon43. Jay97. Polanco
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted July 8, 2016 Posted July 8, 2016 Keep in mind this doesn't include 2016 draftees or international signings, and a number of guys have graduated off the list. So it probably shouldn't be compared to other lists, but it can be an interesting relative gauge of prospect value.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted July 8, 2016 Posted July 8, 2016 You'd think their suggestion of using Polanco as a super utility guy would be happening by now.....but, he's just playing 2B, a position he has almost zero chance of playing in MN any time soon.
ashbury Verified Member Posted July 8, 2016 Posted July 8, 2016 Here's a link to the midseason list: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-top-100-prospects/#ZSHJ2TEC8KdlfR0o.97 Twins on the list:20. Berrios 34. Gordon43. Jay97. PolancoFor reference, Seth's twitter poll a week or so ago had this at the top: Jose Berrios - RHPMax Kepler - OFTyler Jay - LHPNick Gordon - SSStephen Gonsalves - LHPJorge Polanco - IF Assuming BA simply doesn't consider Max a prospect anymore, that's relatively close, except for some unequal love for Gonsalves.
John Kelsey Verified Member Posted July 8, 2016 Author Posted July 8, 2016 For reference, Seth's twitter poll a week or so ago had this at the top: Jose Berrios - RHPMax Kepler - OFTyler Jay - LHPNick Gordon - SSStephen Gonsalves - LHPJorge Polanco - IF Assuming BA simply doesn't consider Max a prospect anymore, that's relatively close, except for some unequal love for Gonsalves. Correct, Max graduated last week.
howieramone2 Verified Member Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 You'd think their suggestion of using Polanco as a super utility guy would be happening by now.....but, he's just playing 2B, a position he has almost zero chance of playing in MN any time soon.Mike, I'm guessing they are showcasing him. I can see a package including Polanco getting us help for this season.
NDTimIrish Verified Member Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 The Indians have 7 prospects in the top 71. Considering their team controlled starting rotation until 2018 and their winning baseball now, they're going to be a tough team to beat.
bluechipper Provisional Member Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 J.P. Crawford must be an amazing fielding SS. He's hitting .265 with a .725 OPS in AA and AAA this year, with 10 stolen bases, which is worse than what he did there last year. He's still only 21, but that's a little underwhelming for the #3 ranked prospect. It's definitely a much weaker prospect class than in recent years.
bluechipper Provisional Member Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 The Indians have 7 prospects in the top 71. Considering their team controlled starting rotation until 2018 and their winning baseball now, they're going to be a tough team to beat. The good news is the other 3 teams in the AL Central have a combined 2 guys listed, Raul Mondesi and Carson Fulmer.
clutterheart Verified Member Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 Mike, I'm guessing they are showcasing him. I can see a package including Polanco getting us help for this season.Oh god...that would be....very bad
nytwinsfan Provisional Member Posted July 9, 2016 Posted July 9, 2016 I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "getting us help for this season" but if Terry Ryan is even 1% focused on "getting us help for this season" in the sense that I understand it, he should be fired immediately. I'm not a huge Ryan supporter, but he is a better GM than that from what I've seen. He's not that shortsighted. Mike, I'm guessing they are showcasing him. I can see a package including Polanco getting us help for this season.
old nurse Verified Member Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 Ryan, if anything, is a long term planner and does not do a whole lot for the short term. Except trade for Jepson and a couple others.
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Ryan, if anything, is a long term planner and does not do a whole lot for the short term. Except trade for Jepson and a couple others. This I tend to agree with, but hopefully he's making long term planning right now on acquiring prospects for some tradable assets. This season is toast.
biggentleben Verified Member Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 I put up a top 50 for Call to the Pen over July 4th weekend. I only had two Twins on my list.
clutterheart Verified Member Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Ryan, if anything, is a long term planner and does not do a whole lot for the short term. Except trade for Jepson and a couple others.I would really disagree with this. Ryan is decent at low risk/medium reward type of deals.He is not good at long term planning. Example: long term deals with pitchers
Jham Verified Member Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 I would really disagree with this. Ryan is decent at low risk/medium reward type of deals.He is not good at long term planning. Example: long term deals with pitchers I would really disagree with this. Ryan is decent at low risk/medium reward type of deals.He is not good at long term planning. Example: long term deals with pitchersI'm not sure that's exactly correct. I could see how it looks that way, but even halfway decent FA pitchers require long-term deals. So you can either develop them (ideal), trade for them (expensive), or extend ones you already have (cheaper than FA). If you don't have ready arms developed, you still have to put arms out there. Unless you want a bunch of Independent Leauger's out there, you have to sign some bad FA contracts, extend some guys for a discount, or sign Mike Pelfrey to one year deals. I know people get frustrated putting the same guys out all the time with poor results, but it's not like it's worth straining the farm system and stunting development by moving guys up a level before they're ready/ earned it.
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The Hughes extension seems like very poor long term planning. There is absolutely no way that TR "had" to make that move, it was discretionary, and it blew up. TR also has yet to show any great aptitude for long-term extensions. Will be interesting to see how he does with a new crop of quality youngsters in that regard.
markos Provisional Member Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The Hughes extension seems like very poor long term planning. There is absolutely no way that TR "had" to make that move, it was discretionary, and it blew up.TR also has yet to show any great aptitude for long-term extensions. Will be interesting to see how he does with a new crop of quality youngsters in that regard.I may be mis-remembering, but I feel like he did a decent job in the mid-2000s of buying out and extending the young players through their arbitration years. Santana, Hunter, Mauer, Cuddyer all accepted offers that bought out arbitration and some free agent years. Those all worked out pretty well, though Santana's no-trade clause certainly poisoned his trade market. Of course, the baseball market has changed a lot over the past decade.
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 I may be mis-remembering, but I feel like he did a decent job in the mid-2000s of buying out and extending the young players through their arbitration years. Santana, Hunter, Mauer, Cuddyer all accepted offers that bought out arbitration and some free agent years. Those all worked out pretty well, though Santana's no-trade clause certainly poisoned his trade market. Of course, the baseball market has changed a lot over the past decade.TR didn't extend Cuddyer, Smith did. The other extensions weren't bad, but they were pretty conservative. Only bought out one FA year for each of Mauer and Santana. The Mauer one in particular seemed way too late and conservative. TR also extended Joe Mays, so they weren't all winners.
Major League Ready Verified Member Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The Hughes extension seems like very poor long term planning. There is absolutely no way that TR "had" to make that move, it was discretionary, and it blew up.TR also has yet to show any great aptitude for long-term extensions. Will be interesting to see how he does with a new crop of quality youngsters in that regard.Not only did he not have to make that move, I cant think of a any logical reason why they would have not waited until after the 2015 season when he still would have had a year remaining. The only possible logic was that he repeated 2014 and the priice would have gone up a bit but I take that chance after a career year, right? For me this might be the worst decision of the past few years. Not in terms of impact but because there was no reason to lock in Hughes at that point. Perkins might be #2 on that list because the team did not need a closer at that point of what was obviously a rebuild despite the fact they refused to treat it like a rebuild.
bird Verified Member Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The Indians have 7 prospects in the top 71. Considering their team controlled starting rotation until 2018 and their winning baseball now, they're going to be a tough team to beat. I agree. They were loaded coming into the year, and they've gotten deeper and better. Contast that to Detroit and KC with none, and CWS with only Fulmer at #73.
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