The Quickie Response Thread to the Question: Should the Twins Trade Liriano?

[jctwins]

Yes.

 

Some change would be a good thing. Can we put a three sentence max on every thread? I like this.

[alarp33]

Yes, but I would offer him 12.5 for next year if they don't trade him, so the trade better bring back more than 2 draft picks would

[DaveW]

You're right, it's entirely plausible that the following thought will run through Liriano's head:

 

"I'm a terrible pitcher most of the time....I should jump at this mediocre offer from one of baseball's worst teams who I have had repeated issues with about my pitch selection, offseason routine, delivery, pitching to contact, and medical issues. I mean....they're fools for offering an inconsistent schmuck like me this kind of money....Deal!"

 

That is pretty far-fetched. Just because Liriano is as mediocre to bad as he statistically is doesn't mean he realizes that. And he HAS to realize that fact in order for the "sign him for a team friendly deal" argument to make any sense. So out of one corner of your mouth you think he's a "frontline starter" and out of the other (in some truly baffling logic) you believe Frankie knows how bad he is. It's just so damn silly I'm amazed anyone seriously believes it.

Well if Lev says so we all know it must be true, thanks for the insight into the mind of a major league pitcher! Also your tl;dr gibberish was much longer then the 3 sentance maximum discussed earlier in the thread.

[Guest USAFChief]

Well if Lev says so we all know it must be true, thanks for the insight into the mind of a major league pitcher!

This board is much nicer, and saner, since i put one poster on my ignore list.

[DaveW]

This board is much nicer, and saner, since i put one poster on my ignore list.

Good idea, didn't even know we had the option!

[notoriousgod71]

No, because I don't think we'll get anybody better than him.

[J-Dog Dungan]

Yes

 

Trade now for something and sign him in the offseason if possible.

Yes, and this is what I hope they do with him in the offseason.

[DaveW]

Yes, and this is what I hope they do with him in the offseason.

I put the odds at that at less than 1%

 

The last thing the Twins neeed to do is get into a bidding war with teams over free agent pitching.

 

Sign him now, or trade him.

[Oxtung]

If you check out Lirianos last 77 games (70 starts) which includes his entire terrible 2010 season he has put up the following numbers:

 

4.38 ERA

8.8 k/9

4.0 bb/9

1.368 WHIP

 

Let's stop pretending like these last 9 starts or whatever are the only time he has looked decent lately.

 

We should offer a contract based off those numbers plus a little extra for upside, thus the 2 years 16-18 million.

Yes trade him quick before the clock strikes twelve. Not sure why you left 2009 out of those numbers unless you're trying to make him look better than he really has been since coming back from TJ surgery. So here are those numbers again with the season you left out:

 

4.73 ERA

8.6 k/9

4.0 bb/9

1.413 WHIP

 

He has also failed to qualify in pitching two of the last 3 years, this year he is on the boarder, so he hasn't exactly been an innings eater either.

[70charger]

Yes, with reservations. If you don't get a good enough offer for him, it'll be hard for the fans to stomach. Granted, he'll be a 3 month rental for whoever picks him up, but we should get something in return, as this should not be a salary dump situation. That said, there's risk on both sides of this transaction. We'd be trading a huge upside, but we'd be trading a hugely inconsistent pitcher. I'd completely understand if the Twins made a 1-year qualifying offer. I'd completely understand if the Twins offered 3 or 4 years at $7 or 8 million per. I'd completely understand if the Twins traded him. Players aren't usually this confusing, but Liriano is.

 

As it stands today, I'm leaning towards trading him. But I don't work in the front office.

[jorgenswest]

Yes.

 

As long as they get an offer clearly better than a comp pick.

[Top Gun]

No, you don't even have a offer yet!

[TheLeviathan]

Well if Lev says so we all know it must be true, thanks for the insight into the mind of a major league pitcher! Also your tl;dr gibberish was much longer then the 3 sentance maximum discussed earlier in the thread.

It was in response to a reply, my three sentencer is already up - but you completely missed the point. I have no idea what Liriano is thinking about his future, but the notion that he would take 3/24 is built on ignoring the team's struggles, his past struggles with the organization, and the value of being a free agent pitcher AND making assumptions about what Liriano would think makes sense. As Chief walked into - it's always been built, at least in part, on the notion that Liriano has been a poor pitcher lately and that he will recognize that. While it makes sense from our perspective to speculate on including that data in an offer - Liriano has no reason to do any such thing. He can believe whatever he wants. So it's really the "Offer him 3/20-whatever" crowd that is making assumptions about Liriano's train of thought.

 

I'll stick to his stats from the last few seasons for my argument. He's been bad, I'd rather not invest any firm money into that - toss major incentives in, but save the guarantees for another player.

[DPJ]

Like everyone on this roster, SELL SELL SELL!

[MWLFan]

yes. The odds are we will have buyers remorse if he gets a big contract. I guess I don't believe that he can maintain the current performance. But this comes with risk that he might I know.

[Boom Boom]

Yes.

 

If the Twins sign Liriano to a 3-year deal... do you think the Twins will be a division contender in the next three years? I don't, so I'd like to get something for Liriano now.

[Jeremy Nygaard]

No. Unless blown away by trade offer (Top 50 prospect), offer him arbitration and go from there.