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Can anyone find the tie-breaker criteria for home field advantage of a game 163 beyond just head to head record? The Twins have a 3-3 record this year against both the Astros & Rangers, so I'm wondering who hosts game 163 if the Twins tie one of them for the last Wild Card win.

 

Logically, I would think it would be recor in the AL, which would make that game at Target Field, but MLB can have some weird criteria for tie-breakers.

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Determining Home-Field Advantage in Two-Team Tiebreakers

1. Head-to-head winning percentage during the 2014 regular season.
2. Higher winning percentage in intradivision games.
3. Higher winning percentage in intraleague games.
4. Higher winning percentage in the last half of intraleague games.
5. Higher winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game, provided that such additional game was not between the two tied clubs. Continue to go back one intraleague game at a time until the tie has been broken.

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I'm pretty sure it's no longer a coin flip but yes, that's how they used to do it.

they changed it after that game. The Twins had The better record against Chicago which was what was so dumb about it.
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Twins also have a heavy advantage on the "intra" league tiebreaker as well.

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yeah, the coin flip with Chicago was pretty far down on the tie breaker list though if I remember right.  They were tied in a few areas.

Not true. The coin flip was the ONLY thing on the list.

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Texas is 26-34 against their division
Houston is 31-30
Twins are 33-28

 

This jives with what I just heard from the Twins, too.

 

There are a LOT of intradivision games left for each team, of course, but if they're going to end in a tie, we likely won't see a lot of movement on this list. Looks like a game 163, if there is one, would probably be at Target Field.

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What happens in a possible 3 way tie for the 2nd wildcard?  Does one team get a "bye", then two teams play a game 163, then the Bye team plays their game 163 against the other game 163 winner which is now their game 164?

 

Did anything I say there make sense?

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What I think gets interesting is if Texas and Houston end up in a tie for the division AND the Twins end up with the same record.  Texas and Houston would then have to play 1 game for the division title????? and then the loser play the Twins????  I dunno.

 

One game at a time boys!  The only game that matters is tonight's game.

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This jives with what I just heard from the Twins, too.

 

There are a LOT of intradivision games left for each team, of course, but if they're going to end in a tie, we likely won't see a lot of movement on this list. Looks like a game 163, if there is one, would probably be at Target Field.

 

Are you sure the intradivision tiebreaker is not only used if the tied teams are in the same division?  Doesn't make much sense to use that as a tie breaker for teams in different divisions.

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yeah, the coin flip with Chicago was pretty far down on the tie breaker list though if I remember right.  They were tied in a few areas.

 

No that was the year they changed the rules.  The first tiebreaker was a coin flip, it was totally insane.  The Twins had handled the White Sox that year.  Total BS.  That's why they changed it the next year.

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Are you sure the intradivision tiebreaker is not only used if the tied teams are in the same division? Doesn't make much sense to use that as a tie breaker for teams in different divisions.

Yes. I am 100% positive, it took me about 20 minutes to find the definitive answer, it's in the rule book, and thus not up for debate any more.
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What I think gets interesting is if Texas and Houston end up in a tie for the division AND the Twins end up with the same record.  Texas and Houston would then have to play 1 game for the division title????? and then the loser play the Twins????  I dunno.

 

One game at a time boys!  The only game that matters is tonight's game.

 

That is an interesting one.  

Yes they do have to play first for the division.   However, the loser of that game, will have a worst record than the Twins after that game ;)

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 it's in the rule book, and thus not up for debate any more.

Are you saying that I can't debate disagreements, JUST because we both know I am wrong?

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That is an interesting one.  

Yes they do have to play first for the division.   However, the loser of that game, will have a worst record than the Twins after that game ;)

That's what I thought as well. Somebody quoted the regulation in one of the other threads. Apparently they do in fact decide the division first, but allow the loser to play for the Wild Card.

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That's what I thought as well. Somebody quoted the regulation in one of the other threads. Apparently they do in fact decide the division first, but allow the loser to play for the Wild Card.

Yup.  While tiebreaker games are technically regular season games, they don't "count" when determining other possible postseason berths or tiebreakers.

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What happens in a possible 3 way tie for the 2nd wildcard?  Does one team get a "bye", then two teams play a game 163, then the Bye team plays their game 163 against the other game 163 winner which is now their game 164?

Yup.

 

 

 

Determining A, B, C Designations in Three-Team Tiebreakers
1. All Three Clubs Have Identical Records Against One Another
• Club with highest winning percentage among three tied clubs in intradivision games chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest winning percentage in intradivision games. If any two of the clubs have identical winning percentages, then then the two-Club tiebreak rules will break that tie. If all three Clubs have identical winning percentages, then;
• Club with the highest winning percentage in the last half of intraleague games chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest winning percentage in intraleague games. If any two of the clubs have identical winning percentages, then then the two-Club tiebreak rules will break that tie. If all three Clubs have identical winning percentages, then;
• Club with the highest winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game, provided that such additional game was not between any of the tied Clubs, chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game. Continue to go back one intraleague game at a time until the tie has been broken.

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Three-Club Tie for One Wild Card Spot:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B. The winner of the game would then host Club C to determine the Wild Card Club.

 

The team with the home-field advantage tiebreaker would have an interesting choice: win 2 games at home to advance (as "Club A"), or 1 game on the road (as "Club C").

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Yup.

 

 

The team with the home-field advantage tiebreaker would have an interesting choice: win 2 games at home to advance (as "Club A"), or 1 game on the road (as "Club C").

 

This wouldn't be the case if Houston and Texas are also vying for the Division Title.  If there is a 3 way tie between Houston, Texas and Minnesota and Houston and Texas are also tied for the Division Title, Minnesota would host the loser of the Houston/Texas game

 

From the rulebook:

2. A second tiebreak game will be played between the loser of the game to determine the Division Champion and the team from the other division at the ballpark of the team in the other division to determine the Wild Card.

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This wouldn't be the case if Houston and Texas are also vying for the Division Title.

Yes, I am aware of that, and that scenario has already been discussed here and is laid out separately at the link I provided.

 

But the post I was responding to was specifically asking what if 3 teams tied for one wild card berth, presumably that could be the Twins, Rangers, and Angels or something like that.

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Are you saying that I can't debate disagreements, JUST because we both know I am wrong?

He can't mean that. It would eliminate half the posts on the site (and about 90% of mine.)

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