Twins demote Buxton

[jokin]

 

Here's what doesn't matter: service time, the Twins' 2015 postseason chances, salary, Torii Hunter, Aaron Hicks, Gallo, Seager, Baez, Correa, ticket sales, options, super 2 issues. Here's what matters: Buxton's development as a player.

His call to the majors was not the plan. It happened only because Hicks and Schafer were both disabled. AAA is where he should have gone at that point, so he is now where he is supposed to be in terms of games played.

 

Except if this were all true, there were plenty of other options that could have been deployed temporarily in CF before going to all the trouble of placing him onto the 40 man roster in June.

 

No, it was the plan. Hicks messed up "the plan" by having a 2 fWAR month of July coming off of the DL.

[jimmer]

 

This. There was no one blocking him when he was called up. Unfortunately, there is now.

Rosario, Hicks, Buxton.  There is no one who should block him.  Not in a year like this.

[twinsnorth49]

 

Rosario, Hicks, Buxton.  There is no one who should block him.  Not in a year like this.

This, especially someone who shouldn't have any part in the future of this team. With the season off the rails, Buxton should have a clear path.

[sane]

 

Buxton aint Hicks...

But CONFIDENCE benefits BOTH, more than MLB reps benefits them.

The first go-around, Buxton WAS Hicks and neither was worth a bleep!

[Thrylos]

 

There you have it, healthy, but not in MN.

 

why do people keep buying tickets?

 

To see Sano.

 

.189/.231/.270

 

Beyond Butterible.    If he cannot hit the curve, he does not belong to the majors...

[jokin]

 

But CONFIDENCE benefits BOTH, more than MLB reps benefits them.

The first go-around, Buxton WAS Hicks and neither was worth a bleep!

 

Except for the fact that Buxton in 11 games was already playing CF like a veteran... and already begining to look like he was turning the corner at the plate in his last 3 games (something that it took 3 seasons for Hicks to achieve)

 

Buxton has much higher COMPETENCE coming into the majors which will naturally feed his confidence, Hicks had neither confidence or competence in his first 2 MLB seasons, thus the negative feedback loop he endured.

[TheLeviathan]

Except for the fact that Buxton in 11 games was already playing CF like a veteran... and already begining to look like he was turning the corner at the plate in his last 3 games (something that it took 3 seasons for Hicks to achieve)

3 games? C'mon now.

 

The only real issue is make it a demotion and not an extended rehab, but Buxton in AAA is perfectly defensible.

[twinsnorth49]

To see Sano.

 

.189/.231/.270

 

Beyond Butterible. If he cannot hit the curve, he does not belong to the majors...

I'd also pay to see Buxton work on hitting curves with the Twins. I'd bet with consistent playing time between now and the end of the year, he'll figure it out better than Butera ever did.

 

You aren't really expecting anyone to take that comparison seriously, are you?

[Thrylos]

 

I'd also pay to see Buxton work on hitting curves with the Twins. I'd bet with consistent playing time between now and the end of the year, he'll figure it out better than Butera ever did.

You aren't really expecting anyone to take that comparison seriously, are you?

 

Nope.    Butera still cannot hit

 

Buxton has a serious problem with breaking balls and until he learns how to hit them, he is better served learning in the minors.

 

Arcia on the other hand...

[jokin]

 

3 games? C'mon now.

The only real issue is make it a demotion and not an extended rehab, but Buxton in AAA is perfectly defensible.

 

It's perfectly defensible if there's an agenda to be met.  If Buxton had struck out 7 times in his first 15 PAs in Rochester, I'd say your positioin would be more defensible.  But he hasn't, so it's not.  

 

If the Twins really expect to be legit contenders in 2016, the sooner that Buck is fully acclimated to the big leagues, the better.  And his developmental status right now suggests he wu=ill most benefit from maximizing his plate appearances against MLB pitchers.

[twinsnorth49]

3 games? C'mon now.

 

The only real issue is make it a demotion and not an extended rehab, but Buxton in AAA is perfectly defensible.

Defensible? Yes, necessary? Debatable.

 

I don't think they're going to harm him by keeping him up, more likely it benefits his development. Considering they bailed on the season at the deadline, they might as well.

[jokin]

 

I'd also pay to see Buxton work on hitting curves with the Twins. I'd bet with consistent playing time between now and the end of the year, he'll figure it out better than Butera ever did.

You aren't really expecting anyone to take that comparison seriously, are you?

 

Butera/Buxton  

 

Worst. Comp. Ever.

[TheLeviathan]

It's perfectly defensible if there's an agenda to be met.  If Buxton had struck out 7 times in his first 15 PAs in Rochester, I'd say your positioin would be more defensible.  But he hasn't, so it's not.  

 

If the Twins really expect to be legit contenders in 2016, the sooner that Buck is fully acclimated to the big leagues, the better.  And his developmental status right now suggests he wu=ill most benefit from maximizing his plate appearances against MLB pitchers.

He will have a month to acclimate in September. It's a wrist injury, let him build back his strength and stopping using three friggin games as a counter argument.

[jokin]

 

Defensible? Yes, necessary? Debatable.

I don't think they're going to harm him by keeping him up, more likely it benefits his development. Considering they bailed on the season at the deadline, they might as well.

 

That's correct, since the Twins have obviously chosen to change the focus on 2016, every move from this point forward should be all about that new focus.  Buxton playing full-time at the MLB level should be one of the center-points of that new focus. 

[TheLeviathan]

Defensible? Yes, necessary? Debatable.

I don't think they're going to harm him by keeping him up, more likely it benefits his development. Considering they bailed on the season at the deadline, they might as well.

I think the nature of the injury is extremely relevant to the defense of this move and many are ignoring it.

[twinsnorth49]

Buxton has a serious problem with breaking balls and until he learns how to hit them, he is better served learning in the minors.

Why? If Buxton can't learn to hit a major league breaking ball, he can play in Rochester until he's blue in the face, it's unlikely to be of any greater advantage to him.

[jokin]

 

He will have a month to acclimate in September. It's a wrist injury, let him build back his strength and stopping using three friggin games as a counter argument.

 

I think the nature of the injury is extremely relevant to the defense of this move and many are ignoring it.

 

September means lots of inferior pitchers.  Learning how to hit against those on rosters in August will be far more beneficial to his development.  If he was still on his  "rehab assignment" and if he was striking out 7 times in his first 15 PAs at Rochester, your argument about his injured wrist would hold more weight.

[twinsnorth49]

I think the nature of the injury is extremely relevant to the defense of this move and many are ignoring it.

Only in the context of him struggling to overcome it hurting the team's chances, which at this point, who cares?

[TheLeviathan]

 

September means lots of inferior pitchers.  Learning how to hit against those on rosters in August will be far more beneficial to his development.  If he was still on his  "rehab assignment" and if he was striking out 7 times in his first 15 PAs at Rochester, your argument about his injured wrist would hold more weight.

 

For god's sake.  3 games.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Only in the context of him struggling to overcome it hurting the team's chances, which at this point, who cares?

 

I would prefer he not have to worry about both hitting major league pitching and strengthening his wrist.  He's still going to see better breaking stuff in AAA than he's seen before, it'll be a good 15-20 days for him to learn before coming back up.

[jimmer]

If the concern is with his wrist, he shouldn't be playing at any level.  Let it heal and re-visit where to play next year.

[Brock Beauchamp]

For god's sake. 3 games.

For all we know, Byron told the trainer "I can swing but it hurts a little" and the Twins demoted him after the third game as a precautionary measure. There could be a dozen reasons why he was demoted and I simply don't see what the fuss is about because, as you said, "wrist injury". Two weeks of caution is not worth this amount of hand-wringing.

 

If he's not back in late August or September 1st, then it's time to complain. Not today.

[TheLeviathan]

 

If the concern is with his wrist, he shouldn't be playing at any level.  Let it heal and re-visit where to play next year.

 

It seems to me that baseball players can play with a healed wrist but still need time to strengthen back to 100% for hitting.  It's also not like this is the first time he's hurt his wrist and previously he struggled upon his return from it.

[jimmer]

 

It seems to me that baseball players can play with a healed wrist but still need time to strengthen back to 100% for hitting.  It's also not like this is the first time he's hurt his wrist and previously he struggled upon his return from it.

So again, if his wrist is an issue in the majors swinging a bat, that same issue will happen in the minors. So shelf him, period.

 

If they aren't going to do that, he can strength it in the majors or the minors.  Same thing.  And this season is, basically, done for us as far as competing for a playoff birth, so him doing it here won't matter in regards to doing poorly affecting us.  His defense alone might be a plus over 40 year old guy who can't play D and has an OBP a hair over .300.

[Platoon]

My first problem is the idea that Buxton is somehow going to be the savior of this season. That's ridiculous. He was pretty bad in his limited sample, and now he's had a month off to go with it. He isn't suddenly going to come up and light the world on fire.My bigger issue with this though is what I said earlier in other threads. We are creating an options issue here. He went on the 40 man early, got 40 at bats, and is now burning one of three options. He will more than likely see one burnt next year as well. It's poor options management. I get that he's a highly respected prospect, but they struggle (see Arcia, Oswaldo). Arcia was put in that same situation and no one thought the options game would be a problem, yet next year, he's out of them and is still clearly not ready. He may very well be up next year to stay (and I hope that is), but if he struggles at all, the Twins are going to find themselves in a spot where they are forced to keep him on a roster when he isn't ready.

He doesn't have to start the world on fire, he has to get some acclimation time in so next year he possibly can start that fire.

[jimmer]

 

He doesn't have to start the world on fire, he has to get some acclimation time in so next year he possibly can start that fire.

This. Exactly this.   I can't imagine anyone thinking he would turn this season around.  It's not about that. It's about preparing for the future by giving the youngsters time in the majors to adjust in yet another lost season.  No pressure.

[Thrylos]

 

Why? If Buxton can't learn to hit a major league breaking ball, he can play in Rochester until he's blue in the face, it's unlikely to be of any greater advantage to him.

 

Buxton cannot hit a AA curve ball.  Trying to hit an MLB curve ball is an exercise in futility.   He needs to have a coach who sits him and makes him have his bat in his shoulder to see every pitch and get the rotation.

 

Cannot afford to do that in the majors.  Team needs to win ballgames.

[Otto von Ballpark]

For all we know, Byron told the trainer "I can swing but it hurts a little" and the Twins demoted him after the third game as a precautionary measure. .

 

I think this would be grievance worthy. You can't option an injured player. However slight, Buxton is losing money and service time now.

[TheLeviathan]

 

So again, if his wrist is an issue in the majors swinging a bat, that same issue will happen in the minors. So shelf him, period.

 

If they aren't going to do that, he can strength it in the majors or the minors.  Same thing.  And this season is, basically, done for us as far as competing for a playoff birth, so him doing it here won't matter in regards to doing poorly affecting us.  His defense alone might be a plus over 40 year old guy who can't play D and has an OBP a hair over .300.

 

He'll rebuild the wrist strength playing.  I'm not worried about him setting the world on fire, I'm worried about him developing his approach at the plate against more advanced arms than AA.  15-20 games strengthening the wrist while facing AAA pitching will be just fine before he returns to the majors.  There is no reason to compound his wrist strengthening with pitching he's already struggling with immediately.

 

It should be about his development and what's right for him.  Not every player can or should acclimate in the majors.  Especially not coming off an injury that he has a history struggling to return from.

[jimmer]

 

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Cannot afford to do that in the majors.  Team needs to win ballgames.

They need to win games?  Tell that to the guy who put this team together, or the team that's gone 6-16 since the All Star Break.  Been passed by 4 teams in the 2nd wild card race in a singular week. This team isn't winning, and they can't blame Buxton's play on that.