Kevin Jepsen traded to the Twins

[jokin]

 

Hu hasn't averaged 9 k/9 since rookie ball.

 

Also, I said it was too much to give up for Jepsen but the way people are acting around here, you'd think the Twins just traded away Jose Berrios.

 

No, we are acting like the Twins traded 2 prospects for a replacement level RP.......

 

TR said he was going to "try" to improve the team. Is this like Butera trying to hit a MLB pitch?

 

 

Nice smackdown, Mike.  (Almost) no one is "over-reacting" here. Just noting a bad trade that accomplished nothing.  

[JustinCB]

 

They actually are pretty close except Jepsen k's nearly twice as many per 9 (which is a small detail).

How is that a "small detail"

[USAFChief]

 

Shocked that people would overrate our prospects.

c'mon jim, you're not really going to defend this, are you?

 

St Louis just picked up a better version of Jepsen for basically nothing.

 

 

[rghrbek]

Classic Terry Ryan.  I cannot wait to hear the spin on this.  He will extol the virtues of Jepsen and mention that he can sometimes miss bats....then he will say

 

"Plus we are getting Buxton and Nolasco back soon, and that is just like making a huge trade"

 

I would love to know which scout/scouts are recommending this garbage. 

[amjgt]

 

In all honesty, I'd be OK trading Hu and Tapia for a reliever. 

 

The only problem is that we're getting Jepsen, a reliever who we'll have to bank on rebounding with the Twins. 

 

I'm not sure I want this guy pitching in the 8th inning. That what makes this a below-average (but not horrible) trade.

 

We also get the honor of paying him $5M next year.

 

Yippee!

[lukeduke1980]

Plouffe will be coming off paternity leave, so that's like a trade

[jokin]

 

I'm not overrating the acquisition - Jepsen is what he is.

 

But Hu and Tapia are what they are too. This is what they are worth. If people want to make trades and trade prospects they should probably understand what they are worth.

 

If they got a better reliever it would have required better prospects.

 

I wish Terry Ryan understood the concept of NOT making a trade just to make a trade.  Clearly the Twins could have done much better, examples abound, it just would have required a little more imagination and legwork.

 

Jepsen's reaction to the trade?  

 

"I'm just glad to be wanted by someone."

 

Don't worry Kevin, as long as Terry and his veteran-RP-loving ways are around, you'll always have a job. 

[drjim]

 

c'mon jim, you're not really going to defend this, are you?

 

St Louis just picked up a better version of Jepsen for basically nothing.

 

Cardinals made a better trade. But I also think people are badly overreacting to what the Twins traded.

 

Cost and control factor in too.

[drjim]

 

Cardinals made a better trade. But I also think people are badly overreacting to what the Twins traded.

 

Cost and control factor in too.

 

And I also don't think this is nearly enough. A fine second reliever to pick up. So if this is all he trades for it would be a problem.

[Jham]

"No Kepler, Tilapia and some asian"  - Draybay.com forum poster... kind of some funny stuff...

 

"Hu started a game against the Durham Bulls last week"

"Who did?"

"Wei did"

[nicksaviking]

Hu hasn't averaged 9 k/9 since rookie ball.

 

Also, I said it was too much to give up for Jepsen but the way people are acting around here, you'd think the Twins just traded away Jose Berrios.

True, but Cishek and Papelbon went for less and this guy you could have probably got in August for a PTBNL.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Nice smackdown, Mike.  (Almost) no one is "over-reacting" here. Just noting a bad trade that accomplished nothing.  

Smackdown?

 

...

[Jham]

"Twins fans are angry
Which is a good sign. Way to pick up a nice prospect for a guy I really don’t think we’ll miss." - Rays forum.

 

Rays fans seem pretty excited.  Probably a bad sign.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

True, but Cishek and Papelbon went for less and this guy you could have probably got in August for a PTBNL.

Like I said, I don't like the trade but people are losing their minds over a whole lot of nothing right now.

[Mike Sixel]

For me it is also clearly Ryan fatigue.......

 

I also doubt Hu is ever a great MLB pitcher, or even good.........but I really am tired of this being what we get, and not a good player, or a great player.

 

Also, not sure why anyone is happy they have to pay this guy real money next year to be a replacement level guy that blocks Duffy and Rogers and Burdi and Meyer and every other young RP option.

[ALessKosherScott]

<Abbott&Costello> He cost us Hu? </Abbott&Costello>

[jokin]

 

Like I said, I don't like the trade but people are losing their minds over a whole lot of nothing right now.

 

As I stated previously... It is a whole lot of nothing.  I think most of us recognize this basic fact, why do this type of trade, at all? It doesn't fix things this year, and only makes things more complicated-by-excess-mediocrity next year.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

It is a whole lot of nothing.  I think most of us recognize this basic fact, why do this type of trade, at all?

It's better than nothing, which is what we had the pleasure of witnessing from May 1 until today.

 

But we're both in agreement more should have been done earlier and Jepsen is somewhat eyeroll-worthy on a team with so many apparent flaws.

 

A few people on this board are acting like I'm a huge fan of the trade simply because I'm not classifying it as "TEH WORST TRADE EVAH".

[nicksaviking]

Like I said, I don't like the trade but people are losing their minds over a whole lot of nothing right now.

Well we have been starved for any kind of homegrown starting pitching for a loooooong time around here. As they've actually been drafting relief pitchers at the expense of starters, dealing one of the only starters with any kind of upside for another reliever with none is going to be an annoyance.

 

Probably the biggest issue and the cause for over reaction is due to the fact that we've been waiting around for weeks with anticipation and we end up with something extremely uninspiring.

[DaveW]

Hu hasn't averaged 9 k/9 since rookie ball.

 

Also, I said it was too much to give up for Jepsen but the way people are acting around here, you'd think the Twins just traded away Jose Berrios.

2.31 career ERA, 8.3 k/9 2.1 bb/9 1.018 WHIP, 0.2 HR/9, 200 IP

 

He may not be Berrios, but guys with results like that don't grow on trees.

[DaveW]

When Hu slots in as a cheap #3/#4 for the Rays in 2017 will you still be saying it's getting upset over nothing Brock?

[rghrbek]

 

As I stated previously... It is a whole lot of nothing.  I think most of us recognize this basic fact, why do this type of trade, at all? It doesn't fix things this year, and only makes things more complicated-by-excess-mediocrity next year.

 

That's my take as well.  I do not really care about who we gave up here so much as what we got back.  Especially with an eye toward next year.

 

The Twins really needed some difference makers, and since they are unwilling to use what they have in AAA, I think we all thought they will make a mildly bold move.   Not a perplexing move.   Oh well, that is why we should always temper our expectations when it comes to TR.

[TheLeviathan]

I doubt Hu amounts to much, but I wish the target was better.

[jokin]

 

I was intrigued by Hu but since he got promoted to AA he's been mostly terrible.  He was never much of a prospect to begin either.  Jepsen is very clearly better than anybody in that bullpen other than Perkins.  I would have preferred they give up less for it, but they needed to target this type of reliever (and preferably two of them) and it was going to always likely to require somebody in the 10-20 team prospect range.  Hu fits that!   Ya'll need to relax.

 

As noted previously, there will probably be two-three dozen better-than-Jepsen's available on the waiver wire by next Monday.  And Jepsen himself, too.  Nothing trade, that could easily turn out to be worse than that.

[DaveW]

I was intrigued by Hu but since he got promoted to AA he's been mostly terrible. He was never much of a prospect to begin either. Jepsen is very clearly better than anybody in that bullpen other than Perkins. I would have preferred they give up less for it, but they needed to target this type of reliever (and preferably two of them) and it was going to always likely to require somebody in the 10-20 team prospect range. Hu fits that! Ya'll need to relax.

What are you talking about? Hu hasn't pitched one inning in AA, he pitched one game in AAA and gave up 2 hits and one run in 6 innings.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

When Hu slots in as a cheap #3/#4 for the Rays in 2017 will you still be saying it's getting upset over nothing Brock?

Let's revisit this conversation when that actually happens.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I doubt Hu amounts to much, but I wish the target was better.

Yep, this. Although Jepsen has some upside. People are looking at his 2015 line and ignoring that he had a pretty rough start, nevermind he was actually very good in 2013/14.

[DaveW]

Let's revisit this conversation when that actually happens.

great logic Brock, using that we could make the argument for trading Buxton for Bruce. "Hey let's revisit this once Buxton does something in the Majors!"

[jimmer]

Jepsen has allowed 43% of inherited runs to score and 35% last year.  43% is 9% more than our bullpen, as a whole, has allowed.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

great logic Brock, using that we could make the argument for trading Buxton for Bruce. "Hey let's revisit this once Buxton does something in the Majors!"

Absolutely, because it's a sound argument to use "Hu" and "Buxton" as comparables.