Article: Twins Ink Doumit to Two-Year Extension

[Nick Nelson]

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[Dilligaf69]

I like it' he's cheap and only for 2 yrs. It's fair for his production and IF he can stay healthy this will be one of the Twins best moves in a while. Plus it might actually increase his trade value say next yrs trade deadline if the Twins fall out of it again. Teams will be very interested in a good switch hitting multi position player for a very fair price with another yr left on his deal or we keep him and still make out...WIN WIN for us againif he's healthy.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Outside of Marquis (ugh) and Capps (more meh than anything), I like everything JR has done since the return.

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

It just struck me, but Doumit looks a lot like Kubel.

[crapforks]

Doumit has no iris. It's all pupil. he clearly is a demon of some sort. We could use some dark forces on this team. All hail RD, the spawn of satan.

[CDog]

It just struck me, but Doumit looks a lot like Kubel.

That JUST struck you?????

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

That JUST struck you?????

 

I'm slow. What can I say? For a second they fooled me into thinking they had the same number too, but Kubes was #16.

 

Doumit has no iris. It's all pupil. he clearly is a demon of some sort. We could use some dark forces on this team. All hail RD, the spawn of satan.

 

Hawk doesn't call us the "bad guys" for nothing...

[James Richter]

Every position player on the 25-man roster is now under team control for 2013. I take this as a signal that the FO is going to make an effort not to field a dreadful team next season.

[CDog]

Every position player on the 25-man roster is now under team control for 2013. I take this as a signal that the FO is going to make an effort not to field a dreadful team next season.

Well now that's interesting. Hadn't really thought of it until you pointed it out. It very well might mean what you say it might mean...but regardless if it means anything or not, it's interesting (to me).

[minn55441]

Doumit is the perfect compliment to Joe Mauer. Add in the fact that he is a switch hitter and I love this signing. Now lets find some pitching.

[Ultima Ratio]

Kubel is a better hitter, but Doumit's 'ability' to catch makes this a good deal to use him as a DH mostly. Though, this does mean that Butera is also a lock on the 25 man for the next two years, but if he continues to play like he has this year, I can stomach it while still disagreeing with the 3 catcher model.

[jorgenswest]

Doumit is a good addition if they see him as a role player, third catcher and pinch hitter. They also should have offered this deal knowing they are likely seeing his peak performance as a Twin.

 

If they see him as an every day player or DH, he will block any future solution. His spot on the team makes it very difficult to give Parmelee any playing time. Maybe they have assessed that Parmelee has little value for the future.

[glunn]

His spot on the team makes it very difficult to give Parmelee any playing time. Maybe they have assessed that Parmelee has little value for the future.

I don't understand why Parmelee is not at AAA getting at bats.

[PseudoSABR]

I don't understand why Parmelee is not at AAA getting at bats.

Riiiiiiiight.

[DPJ]

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

 

Why the hell are they giving multi year deals to injury-prone backup catchers? He's played well this season but that doesn't change he's a 31 year old defensively challenged injurty prone backup C/DH that the Twins felt they needed to lock.

 

They could have moved him at the deadline or hell even keep him and figure out something in the off season, but there's not point to this extention. This is a move that stupid teams do.

[DaveW]

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

 

Why the hell are they giving multi year deals to injury-prone backup catchers? He's played well this season but that doesn't change he's a 31 year old defensively challenged injurty prone backup C/DH that the Twins felt they needed to lock.

 

They could have moved him at the deadline or hell even keep him and figure out something in the off season, but there's not point to this extention. This is a move that stupid teams do.

I could understand this statement if the deal was 3 years/18 million or something like that, but its pretty hard to find anything to hate about a 2/7 deal.

[Twins GFP]

Outside of Marquis (ugh) and Capps (more meh than anything), I like everything JR has done since the return.

I wouldn't let that opinion out on this site, you might not make it through the day...

[Twins GFP]

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

 

Why the hell are they giving multi year deals to injury-prone backup catchers? He's played well this season but that doesn't change he's a 31 year old defensively challenged injurty prone backup C/DH that the Twins felt they needed to lock.

 

They could have moved him at the deadline or hell even keep him and figure out something in the off season, but there's not point to this extention. This is a move that stupid teams do.

Sure, I mean really: All of these at-bats should be going to Butera. What were the Twins thinking in locking up a flexible backup catcher that can hit for little money. Seriously!!!

[DPJ]

Sure, I mean really: All of these at-bats should be going to Butera. What were the Twins thinking in locking up a flexible backup catcher that can hit for little money. Seriously!!!

Cause Son of Sal getting at-bats is what's gonna get this team back to being good again. Doumit isn't gonna make or break the future of this team so I don't understand why you sign a defensivly challenged catch/DH.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

 

Why the hell are they giving multi year deals to injury-prone backup catchers? He's played well this season but that doesn't change he's a 31 year old defensively challenged injurty prone backup C/DH that the Twins felt they needed to lock.

 

They could have moved him at the deadline or hell even keep him and figure out something in the off season, but there's not point to this extention. This is a move that stupid teams do.

You'd rather see Butera out there? This is exactly what the Twins should be doing. Filling the roster with complementary players around Mauer & Co while still letting the young guys play. The Twins have a lot of free money this offseason to build a respectable pitching staff. Their bullpen looks good. The offense is decent. All they really need is starting pitching (admittedly the hardest thing to find).

 

This was a great move by JR. Sign Doumit now and keep him through 2014 or trade him at the deadline. We complained that Smith sat on his hands last deadline. JR is doing the opposite and I welcome the change.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Cause Son of Sal getting at-bats is what's gonna get this team back to being good again. Doumit isn't gonna make or break the future of this team so I don't understand why you sign a defensivly challenged catch/DH.

I think this is proof that JR believes the team will be ready to roll in either 2013 or 2014. It also makes sense given the latest draft. Keeping Doumit doesn't mean they can't go find a starting pitcher for Span. Denard, as beneficial as he is to the team, is somewhat redundant with Revere playing as well as he is.

 

If this team keeps Liriano, finds a starter in trade for Span, Gibson pitches well and is ready for Minnesota next season, and then they dedicate $15m or so to a starting pitcher, the Twins could easily compete in the Central next season.

 

It's a risk to try to rebuild this quickly but with Mauer in the middle of his prime, I can't fault JR for thinking that it can be done.

[snepp]

If Gardy is going to continue his irrational fear of "losing the DH" when both Mauer and Doumit play, they're still going to have to find an acceptable major league backup catcher.

 

Thoughts of another two years of Butera make me nauseous.

[Brock Beauchamp]

If Gardy is going to continue his irrational fear of "losing the DH" when both Mauer and Doumit play, they're still going to have to find an acceptable major league backup catcher.

I'm hoping that JR has the guts to just take Butera away from Gardy at some point.

 

Butera would be acceptable (still terrible, but acceptable) as a third catcher if Gardy only ran him out there once every two weeks but instead, he's become a "Gardy guy", probably based on his inability to do anything while standing at the plate.

[DaveW]

I'm hoping that JR has the guts to just take Butera away from Gardy at some point.

 

Butera would be acceptable (still terrible, but acceptable) as a third catcher if Gardy only ran him out there once every two weeks but instead, he's become a "Gardy guy", probably based on his inability to do anything while standing at the plate.

To be fair though, Butera only started 5 games this month and that is most likely because Doumit was banged up and unavailable for 4 games or so. Also Mauer has had a few injuries this year as well that have kept him out for 3-4 days. If Mauer and Doumit were consistently healthy I doubt we would roster 3 catchers at this point.

 

Also, Butera's batting line .241/.305/.333 is actually close to acceptable for a back up catcher (though I think that is more SSS than anything else) but it's not like Butera has been killing this team, and for whatever reason he seems to have found a niche with Liriano (I'm not a huge believer in personal catchers, but Liriano is such a head case at times I am willling to do anything to keep him effective on the mound)

 

Ideally down the road you find a replacement for Butera, but at this point it's not exactly like the Twins have any better options, nor is he clogging up a bench spot when you already have Parmelee wasting away on the bench and a masher like Mastrionni.

[snepp]

Butera would be acceptable (still terrible, but acceptable) as a third catcher if Gardy only ran him out there once every two weeks

The role on the side of that milk carton is currently occupied by a prospect with a little bit of real potential.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I wouldn't let that opinion out on this site, you might not make it through the day...

I think most of the rational posters around here think JR has done a pretty good job with the ML roster on this team. The huge, mammoth, gigantic exception being the rotation, which he didn't address in a meaningful way at all last offseason.

 

But the bullpen and lineup? You'd have to be more than a little delusional to think JR has done a bad job there. Capps was iffy but Burton has been golden. Doumit has met expectations. Willingham has grossly exceeded them. Carroll is somewhat unimpressive but most of us knew that going in.

[DaveW]

I think most of the rational posters around here think JR has done a pretty good job with the ML roster on this team. The huge, mammoth, gigantic exception being the rotation, which he didn't address in a meaningful way at all last offseason.

 

But the bullpen and lineup? You'd have to be more than a little delusional to think JR has done a bad job there. Capps was iffy but Burton has been golden. Doumit has met expectations. Willingham has grossly exceeded them. Carroll is somewhat unimpressive but most of us knew that going in.

Not to make excuses for the rotation, but heading into the off-season Ryan didn't exactly have a ton of money to play with. Also Baker, Pavano and Blackburn have all been effected quite a bit due to injury and they were counting on a rebound season from Liriano. I would have preffered an Eric Bedard over a Marquis, but let's not pretend the Twins would be in any better shape if they had done that. With Baker lost for the season, Liriano playig awful the first 10 starts and Pavano being hurt the whole year as well the Twins didn't stand much of a shot. You can't take away many teams 1-2-3 and expect them to have a good staff.

 

Capps has been solid before the injury, everyone hates Capps because of the Ramos trade but in reality Capps is a solid but not great closer. If he was healthy 5 mil or so would be fair market value.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Not to make excuses for the rotation, but heading into the off-season Ryan didn't exactly have a ton of money to play with. Also Baker, Pavano and Blackburn have all been effected quite a bit due to injury and they were counting on a rebound season from Liriano. I would have preffered an Eric Bedard over a Marquis, but let's not pretend the Twins would be in any better shape if they had done that. With Baker lost for the season, Liriano playig awful the first 10 starts and Pavano being hurt the whole year as well the Twins didn't stand much of a shot. You can't take away many teams 1-2-3 and expect them to have a good staff.

 

Capps has been solid before the injury, everyone hates Capps because of the Ramos trade but in reality Capps is a solid but not great closer. If he was healthy 5 mil or so would be fair market value.

I only say Capps is iffy because I would rather have the pick and then pick up another "closer" on the FA market for the same money. I thought that would have been the smart move. Capps has performed adequately in the role when healthy.

 

The Twins have surely been bitten by the injury bug in the rotation (again) but there was no reason to think Marquis could hack it in the AL. He's a below average AL starter at best. Given the rotation's problems, it has been a worst case scenario for JR but he easily could have done better this offseason and he didn't. But, like you said, he didn't have a ton of money to play with, either.

[SeanS7921]

Why is Joe Mauer's health still in question? He hasn't been on DL this year. He is playing catcher, DH and 1B well and has monster stats (minus HRs). But no, his health is in question...

[Brock Beauchamp]

Why is Joe Mauer's health still in question? He hasn't been on DL this year. He is playing catcher, DH and 1B well and has monster stats (minus HRs). But no, his health is in question...

Until recently (haven't looked in a week or two), he was still putting the ball on the ground waaaaaaaaay above his career norm, which was already somewhat high. That's a sign that he still isn't right and may never be right again.

 

But right now, he looks pretty healthy.