2016 Election Thread

[formerly33]

 

Put a sign on your front door saying you don't own guns.  I don't own a gun either, but we have enough guns in this country that the criminal can't count on that.  The logic being used here is insane.  I'm sorry for implying guns prevent crime how silly of me.  As for being bothered by someone who has a basement full of guns, how far will you take this I'm not trying to take your guns I just want most of them garbage?  It would be one thing if an attempt at meaningful legislation took place after Sandy Hook but it didn't.  Instead the left think it's a political wild card they can play any time they don't want to be reasonable.  I'm stupid because I know you want to take all guns I get it.  Repeat the same three lies over and over.

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that we're going to ban guns. My bad. Forgive me, please.

 

Oh, and since you want me to repeat my lies over and over, who on earth is going to decide they want to seduce Always after hearing she doesn't have a concealed weapon? Not that I'm anyone's wife ... my mom, perhaps? If my mom had an affair and my dad shot the guy, do you seriously think he would get off? Maybe he felt threatened ... someone was stealing his "property" or something like that.

[TheLeviathan]

Put a sign on your front door saying you don't own guns.  I don't own a gun either, but we have enough guns in this country that the criminal can't count on that.  The logic being used here is insane.  I'm sorry for implying guns prevent crime how silly of me.  As for being bothered by someone who has a basement full of guns, how far will you take this I'm not trying to take your guns I just want most of them garbage?  It would be one thing if an attempt at meaningful legislation took place after Sandy Hook but it didn't.  Instead the left think it's a political wild card they can play any time they don't want to be reasonable.  I'm stupid because I know you want to take all guns I get it.  Repeat the same three lies over and over.

The only meaningful legislation that could stop Sandy Hook is forcing you under penalty to hand over your guns.

 

Ill admit it - I want your guns out of circulation. I would rather you choose to turn them over, though. I guess I have a funny conscience that I'd rather be content with no more children slaughtered in school and a limitation on guns per person than the current environment.

 

If guns prevented violence, cops would have an easy job as soon as you arm them, but that's not how the world works. The only thing our gun proliferation guarantees is gun deaths. Nothing else.

[USAFChief]

 

Put a sign on your front door saying you don't own guns.  I don't own a gun either, but we have enough guns in this country that the criminal can't count on that.  The logic being used here is insane.  I'm sorry for implying guns prevent crime how silly of me.  As for being bothered by someone who has a basement full of guns, how far will you take this I'm not trying to take your guns I just want most of them garbage?  It would be one thing if an attempt at meaningful legislation took place after Sandy Hook but it didn't.  Instead the left think it's a political wild card they can play any time they don't want to be reasonable.  I'm stupid because I know you want to take all guns I get it.  Repeat the same three lies over and over.

Reasonable like the NRA's opposition to "smart" guns?  Guns which could only be fired by the owner?

 

That kind of reasonable?

[Craig Arko]

I've never owned a firearm. I do have some swords, though.

 

But I also have dogs. I really don't worry much.

[twinsnorth49]

It's never even crossed my mind to own a firearm, I can't imagine why it would.

[Squirrel]

 

I do have some swords, though.
 

Because there can be only one, right?

[TheLeviathan]

 

It's never even crossed my mind to own a firearm, I can't imagine why it would.

 

 I'd imagine up in your neck of the woods Sasquatch would be a justifiable reason.

 

It's about as defensible as some antiquated militia amendment.

[Hrbowski]

 

My (and a whole lot of other liberals) main two things on guns are:

1. Actually force a legitimate background check for anyone buying a gun. Maybe have an even more in depth one for someone buying a hand gun or automatic weapon (guns that literally only exist to kill other humans) I don think it should be easier to get an AR 15 then it is to get a drivers license or a job at McDonalds. If you want a hand gun or a AR 15 you should have to provide no less than two personal references in addition to a background check. (Of course this might cost a few bucks, so just put a small tax on handguns/automatic guns)
 

There is no such thing as an automatic weapon on the open market. Another thought, AR-15s are a .223, the kind of gun that you use for the sport of target shooting, and kill less people per year than baseball bats, which are also used for sport.

[Hrbowski]

 

The only way to stop 6 year olds from being murdered in their classroom is for people like you to give up the delusion that having 50 guns is protected by the second amendment.  

I don't recall anybody using fifty guns at once, so it seems unreasonable to put a limit on the amount of guns you can buy when it won't make a difference.

[TheLeviathan]

I don't recall anybody using fifty guns at once, so it seems unreasonable to put a limit on the amount of guns you can buy when it won't make a difference.

Many of these murders were committed with people carrying multiple firearms and duffel bags full of ammo.

 

Like I said, you want a rifle and a box of bullets? Sure. I'm on board. Anything more and you care more about that trumped up right than a bloody classroom full of first graders. That isn't hyperbole, that's a real trade off you are making.

[Craig Arko]

Because there can be only one, right?

[Hrbowski]

 

Many of these murders were committed with people carrying multiple firearms and duffel bags full of ammo.

Like I said, you want a rifle and a box of bullets? Sure. I'm on board. Anything more and you care more about that trumped up right than a bloody classroom full of first graders. That isn't hyperbole, that's a real trade off you are making.

Look, it doesn't matter how many guns you have, either the person will reload, or they will pick up a new gun, which wouldn't make much of a difference. It would also be ridiculous to limit the amount of ammo you can buy, because some people I know buy all their ammo for the year at one time.

[Craig Arko]

A simple solution: The Battle Dog.

 

 

[DaveW]

It's never even crossed my mind to own a firearm, I can't imagine why it would.

Ditto

 

The only way I could see it is if I suddenly start hunting. I have been on a weird venison kick lately where I kinda want to go take one down and have enough deer meat to make a ton of jerky and like 6 months worth of steaks, sausages and ground meat.

 

Then I quickly realize that there aren't a whole lot of deer in NYC, then I realize that I would probably not be able to pull the trigger on Bambi's dad anyways.

[DaveW]

There is no such thing as an automatic weapon on the open market. Another thought, AR-15s are a .223, the kind of gun that you use for the sport of target shooting, and kill less people per year than baseball bats, which are also used for sport.

Semantics, but I will revise: I'm not sure why anyone needs a semi automatic weapon (which can be converted to a fully automatic weapon anyways)

 

Target shooting, lol, that's a good one.

[stringer bell]

It's never even crossed my mind to own a firearm, I can't imagine why it would.

Damn Canadians!

[TheLeviathan]

 

Look, it doesn't matter how many guns you have, either the person will reload, or they will pick up a new gun, which wouldn't make much of a difference. It would also be ridiculous to limit the amount of ammo you can buy, because some people I know buy all their ammo for the year at one time.

 

What?  Are you intentionally missing the point?

 

A classroom of 6 year olds was slaughtered because some maniac walked into his mother's house, took out a freaking arsenal from a cabinet or closet, and had the means to carry it out.  

 

If everyone agrees to have a hunting rifle and a box of shells, it never happens.  If you refuse to limit yourself that way you are signing on to the reality that more six year olds will be slaughtered during math.  If you can live with that, I'm nothing short of appalled.  

[biggentleben]

 

Ditto

The only way I could see it is if I suddenly start hunting. I have been on a weird venison kick lately where I kinda want to go take one down and have enough deer meat to make a ton of jerky and like 6 months worth of steaks, sausages and ground meat.

Then I quickly realize that there aren't a whole lot of deer in NYC, then I realize that I would probably not be able to pull the trigger on Bambi's dad anyways.

 

There are some great places here that are starting to sell nationally and even internationally with some very interesting packing techniques. My baby brother got some venison in DC from a SD retailer that he was very pleased with. 

[Sano Doubter]

 

Are you implying that rape victims wouldn't be raped if they had a gun?

Well guns must certainly can prevent rape, come on the rapist could be shot before they had raped someone.

[Craig Arko]

Well guns must certainly can prevent rape, come on the rapist could be shot before they had raped someone.

At birth, even.

[formerly33]

 

Well, guns most certainly can prevent rape; come on, the rapist could be shot before they had raped someone.

I'll have you know rapists frequently make use of guns to carry out their molestation.

 

Also, when you look at the statistics, many rapists are not first time offenders, so here's where background checks come into play.

[DaveW]

There are some great places here that are starting to sell nationally and even internationally with some very interesting packing techniques. My baby brother got some venison in DC from a SD retailer that he was very pleased with.

Yeah, have heard of a few, and actually I think I'm going to buy a cow "share" this spring.

 

My thing is, I am a big fan of the butchering process itself, so I would want to do all the cleaning/carving etc it's weirdly therapeutic I find.

 

But that's next to impossible here in the city. Will just have to stick to sausage making for now buying the venison at a local butcher.

 

Also this is way off topic, but I reccomend sausage making to anyone.

[DaveW]

I'll have you know rapists frequently make use of guns to carry out their molestation.

 

Also, when you look at the statistics, many rapists are not first time offenders, so here's where background checks come into play.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic....or at least I hope he/she was... :-/

[formerly33]

 

There is no such thing as an automatic weapon on the open market. Another thought, AR-15s are a .223, the kind of gun that you use for the sport of target shooting, and kill less people per year than baseball bats, which are also used for sport.

We're not talking about banning AR-15s. It's a much bigger problem we have at hand here, brother mine.

 

And when Marucci, Rawlings, and Louisville report a sudden increase in sales, not because Sao Tome and Principe started a professional baseball league, but because some wacko Americans decided they needed to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms, that's when we discuss that problem.

 

And, if it really boils down to baseball bats being banned, we'll be known as an eccentric citezenry who enjoy watching recreational cricket and stab rape offenders with cello endpins.

[drjim]

 

It's never even crossed my mind to own a firearm, I can't imagine why it would.

 

Deer are tasty.

[drjim]

I always thought a good first step for gun violence would be to make manufacturers and/or sellers financially liable for any crimes committed with the gun and have a gun insurance requirement for owners. Would take a pretty thorough registration system, but would ultimately let the market decide.

 

Of course there is no way this would happen. Gun rights groups, while throwing the occasional bone to the masses, really pretty much represent the interests of manufacturers and sellers. Always will.

[drjim]

Bummer I was away from this thread for a couple of weeks, that religion exchange was right in my wheelhouse.

[twinsnorth49]

 

Deer are tasty.

I'd go bow and arrow, if I were into killing things. Since I'm not, my butcher sells a mean venison, much safer.

[PseudoSABR]

 

I always thought a good first step for gun violence would be to make manufacturers and/or sellers financially liable for any crimes committed with the gun and have a gun insurance requirement for owners. Would take a pretty thorough registration system, but would ultimately let the market decide.

 

Of course there is no way this would happen. Gun rights groups, while throwing the occasional bone to the masses, really pretty much represent the interests of manufacturers and sellers. Always will.

 

In fact Congress has worked in the opposite direction when they passed this:

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products.

 

 

I do agree, the gun company's need skin the game to incentivize their involvement in the solution to the problem.

[PseudoSABR]

 

Bummer I was away from this thread for a couple of weeks, that religion exchange was right in my wheelhouse.

Well, don't be shy.