Interesting Roster decisions coming

[gocgo]

A couple of things complicate this. First, we are a half game out of a wildcard spot...do we look to add talent or do we build for the future? I see Matty G getting sent down/cut...so that won't happen. All of this assumes Pelf gets things on track. Willingham...not sure what to do other than get him back up here and hope he produces, but what if he doesn't? No trade value unless he produces. Ugh, the curse of mediocrity.

[stringer bell]

Among the relievers, Thielbar could be optioned. Having Santana and Florimon both at Rochester would create a problem. However, having Danny sit over half the time and accumulate service time isn't ideal either. Colabello was added to the 40-man last year, so he has options remaining. Pelfrey has 15 days of rehab remaining before a decision must be made on him.

[drock2190]

Pelfrey should just pitch in the minors like Nick Blackburn did. I dont know if I can handle a few more of his starts.

 

The minute they DFA Correia is the minute the rotation gets hit with injuries making the Twins look that much more stupid. I call it "Twins Luck."

[jokin]

Among the relievers, Thielbar could be optioned. Having Santana and Florimon both at Rochester would create a problem. However, having Danny sit over half the time and accumulate service time isn't ideal either. Colabello was added to the 40-man last year, so he has options remaining. Pelfrey has 15 days of rehab remaining before a decision must be made on him.

 

This is not the worst problem in the world. One of the SS's (I would move Florimon down to AA, or start his transition to a Util role in Rochester) could go to New Britain until Michael and/or Polanco, Goodrum are called up. Santana should be playing every day at Short in Rochester, it's only a matter of time before they are going to need him at SS with the Twins.

[old nurse]

Someone check with Elias Sports Bureau. Is there a team in MLB history to DFA 4 real, actual, bona fide CFers off of their 40-man roster in less than 2 months time?

 

After what the Twins have just gone through, there is no way they are just going to walk away from Fuld, especially with the shaky nature of Hicks's status with the team. Looking at the active roster, they have one decent OF, two barely accpetable ones (in Kubel and Paremelee) with the rest being various forms of dreadful or playing out of position.

 

Wilson may be a CF, but had not even risen above AA level. His bat would appear to be less potent than Florimon's

Presley's ceiling at this point would appear to Hicks' floor.

Mastro appeared to be done. They were all players of limited ability. That at some point the Twins could DFA 4players who played at various times in CF in a season means they shopped hard and were not luck in what they selected. Nothing more.

[jokin]

Among the relievers, Thielbar could be optioned. Having Santana and Florimon both at Rochester would create a problem. However, having Danny sit over half the time and accumulate service time isn't ideal either. Colabello was added to the 40-man last year, so he has options remaining. Pelfrey has 15 days of rehab remaining before a decision must be made on him.

 

Like last year, Pelfrey just has to pitch with minimum competence and he will be back up, role TBD. Cola will be going down soon. Duensing actually has options left, and based on last night, at some point, even he might need a stint in AAA, as well as T-Bar, if there're better options in Rochester (and there are).

[jokin]

Wilson may be a CF, but had not even risen above AA level. His bat would appear to be less potent than Florimon's

Presley's ceiling at this point would appear to Hicks' floor.

Mastro appeared to be done. They were all players of limited ability. That at some point the Twins could DFA 4players who played at various times in CF in a season means they shopped hard and were not luck in what they selected. Nothing more.

 

Has anyone said any different about Wilson? The point was he was on the 40-day, and that was the best they could come up with, after getting their hat handed to them repeatedly in the roster wars.

 

 

Nothing more? Really? Or maybe they have done a really bad job at supplementing and having the proper concern about depth in an obvious area of weakness from the exact day in 2012 when they got rid of both of their CFers.

[Heimer]

What if escobar starts struggling too? Big leash or small leash?

[Thrylos]

Fuld needs to stay with the team as an insurance policy. I'd consider demoting Hicks unless he continues to post a .200+ batting average. The moment he slips, he gets sent to Rochester.

 

BA? Season to date, Hicks has a .331 OBP, Fuld .291, Colabello .286. Hicks is 6 years younger than Colabello and 8 years younger than Fuld. Guess who of the 3 belongs to the majors?

[snepp]

Guess who of the 3 belongs to the majors?

 

 

I give up, you better tell me.

[golfboy1]

BA? Season to date, Hicks has a .331 OBP, Fuld .291, Colabello .286. Hicks is 6 years younger than Colabello and 8 years younger than Fuld. Guess who of the 3 belongs to the majors?

 

If you need a guy who can take a walk the answer is Hicks, otherwise not so much. That's the only thing Hicks has shown the ability to do so far .. not swing the bat & hope they walk him.

 

Hicks is slugging .263 which is remarkably low, even worse than Fulds .390. You can't just use his OBP since it's his only reasonably decent stat. Eventually he is going to have to hit better than .192 to stay in the ML

 

Fuld is what he is. A backup OF who plays good defense & has good speed. He's good for that role. Unfortunately the Twins don't have a starting CF right now so he qualifies(sort of).

 

Hicks might have a long term future while Fuld & Colabello are doubtful but right now Hicks should be learning at AAA.

[JB_Iowa]

–Twins outfielder Sam Fuld (concussion) remains limited to light cardio work and has yet to resume baseball activities. Fuld, who has been on the 15-day disabled list since May 8, is eligible to come off the DL Friday but that won’t be happening.

 

http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2014/05/21/twinsights-starting-suits-chris-parmelee/

[ScottyB]

–Twins outfielder Sam Fuld (concussion) remains limited to light cardio work and has yet to resume baseball activities. Fuld, who has been on the 15-day disabled list since May 8, is eligible to come off the DL Friday but that won’t be happening.

 

http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2014/05/21/twinsights-starting-suits-chris-parmelee/

 

Fuld is actually on the 7-Day Concussion DL and was eligible to come off the DL on Thursday, May 15. Of course Wilkin Ramierez went on the 7-Day DL in May last year and didn't come back until August.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

The Twins might prefer to keep Santana over Fuld, since he offers the flexibility of playing SS or CF and he's a way better hitter than Fuld... Not to mention, he appears to be a key piece in the Twins' future, while Fuld is just filler... Colabello will definitely be heading to Rochester, along with Hermann... If Hicks' hot streak goes ice cold again, he may be headed east when the roster moves are needed...

If the decision is Fuld (no options) Santana (options) or Hicks (options) the decision had better not be expose the guy with no options to waivers... Just sayin' RA had better figure this one out by now.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

If you need a guy who can take a walk the answer is Hicks, otherwise not so much. That's the only thing Hicks has shown the ability to do so far .. not swing the bat & hope they walk him.

 

Hicks is slugging .263 which is remarkably low, even worse than Fulds .390. You can't just use his OBP since it's his only reasonably decent stat. Eventually he is going to have to hit better than .192 to stay in the ML

 

Fuld is what he is. A backup OF who plays good defense & has good speed. He's good for that role. Unfortunately the Twins don't have a starting CF right now so he qualifies(sort of).

 

Hicks might have a long term future while Fuld & Colabello are doubtful but right now Hicks should be learning at AAA.

Exactly! Fuld is an ok 4th outfielder that you can't afford to lose. Colabello has options, so does hicks.

[The Wise One]

Has anyone said any different about Wilson? The point was he was on the 40-day, and that was the best they could come up with, after getting their hat handed to them repeatedly in the roster wars.

 

 

Nothing more? Really? Or maybe they have done a really bad job at supplementing and having the proper concern about depth in an obvious area of weakness from the exact day in 2012 when they got rid of both of their CFers.

 

I think the Phillies would take back May for Revere in a heartbeat. Even if Vanimal were in AAA for the Twins, they might take him straight up for Revere. They might even trade Revere straight up for Hicks. I don't think you can fault the Twins for trading Revere.

 

Span for Meyer. Bad idea short term, might be a great idea long term. It will be better to have pitching in a year rather than an impeding free agent.

 

Yes the Twins outfield is kind of messy. Not everything works out. I supose you can fault them for not having above average players in all positions. In the end Ryan sacrificed now for later, guessed wrong on developing players,. At least he did not stand pat.

[cmathewson]

Agreed.

 

 

 

I don't think Correia can be traded. I'm fine with a DFA if he continues to struggle. As for Pelfrey, I'm also fine with him getting the nod IF he's throwing in the low 90s again. If he's not, DL him again or DFA him if he won't "come down" with an injury. The guy is flat-out useless unless he's throwing hard.

 

 

 

Fuld needs to stay with the team as an insurance policy. I'd consider demoting Hicks unless he continues to post a .200+ batting average. The moment he slips, he gets sent to Rochester.

 

You need two guys who can play center. Hicks and Fuld are the only two left on the 40-man, unless you count Santana. They're treading on thin ice with only one active CF. I don't think sending Hicks down is even an option when Fuld comes back.

 

Arcia for Hermann

Willingham for Cola

Fuld for Santana

[cmathewson]

I think the Phillies would take back May for Revere in a heartbeat. Even if Vanimal were in AAA for the Twins, they might take him straight up for Revere. They might even trade Revere straight up for Hicks. I don't think you can fault the Twins for trading Revere.

 

Span for Meyer. Bad idea short term, might be a great idea long term. It will be better to have pitching in a year rather than an impeding free agent.

 

Yes the Twins outfield is kind of messy. Not everything works out. I supose you can fault them for not having above average players in all positions. In the end Ryan sacrificed now for later, guessed wrong on developing players,. At least he did not stand pat.

 

The fault lies with two mistakes this year--Bartlett for Presley and then Fuld for Mastroianni. They screwed up on the first one, but they had a chance to make it right if they had DFAd anybody but Mastro when they claimed Fuld. If they had simply DFAd Bartlett while they waited for his retirement papers to go through, they could have optioned Mastro.

[Brock Beauchamp]

The fault lies with two mistakes this year--Bartlett for Presley and then Fuld for Mastroianni. They screwed up on the first one, but they had a chance to make it right if they had DFAd anybody but Mastro when they claimed Fuld. If they had simply DFAd Bartlett while they waited for his retirement papers to go through, they could have optioned Mastro.

 

Yep. I agree with this. They had the opportunity to right what *should* have been a pretty small mistake with Bartlett but instead doubled down on weakening CF depth.

[kdrupp09]

I think the Phillies would take back May for Revere in a heartbeat. Even if Vanimal were in AAA for the Twins, they might take him straight up for Revere. They might even trade Revere straight up for Hicks. I don't think you can fault the Twins for trading Revere.

 

Why would the Twins make this deal, it has very short term benefits. You are looking at a year perhaps a year and half with Revere before Buxton takes over, plus you are potentially trading away a piece of the rotation for the next few years (who has turned a corner it seems in AAA) for a year and half of CF stability. It seems hard but this is another case where the long term benefit needs to win out over the short term gain.

[Mike Sixel]

Why would the Twins make this deal, it has very short term benefits. You are looking at a year perhaps a year and half with Revere before Buxton takes over, plus you are potentially trading away a piece of the rotation for the next few years (who has turned a corner it seems in AAA) for a year and half of CF stability. It seems hard but this is another case where the long term benefit needs to win out over the short term gain.

 

I don't think he is arguing the Twins should do that.....I think he is arguing the Twins made a good trade.......

[jokin]

The fault lies with two mistakes this year--Bartlett for Presley and then Fuld for Mastroianni. They screwed up on the first one, but they had a chance to make it right if they had DFAd anybody but Mastro when they claimed Fuld. If they had simply DFAd Bartlett while they waited for his retirement papers to go through, they could have optioned Mastro.

 

Those two obvious blunders at the season's onset were both predicated from the predetermined offseason notion that Bartlett was on the team, no matter what. This led to continuing two offseason's worth of not seeking out more competent, at the very least, replacement level, starting caliber help for defensive OF (CF) depth in the wake of the 2 big trades from 2012- and the enormous gamble- in the face of insurmountable odds to the contrary- of Hicks succeeding and the team remaining injury-free at the position.

[jokin]

I don't think he is arguing the Twins should do that.....I think he is arguing the Twins made a good trade.......

 

Which is an "argument" that completely misses the point of the current discussion, as no one is saying the Twins shouldn't have made the trade, just that they needed more foresight of the consequences in the aftermath of it.

[kdrupp09]

Which is an "argument" that completely misses the point of the current discussion, as no one is saying the Twins shouldn't have made the trade, just that they needed more foresight of the consequences in the aftermath of it.

 

I completely missed what he was saying in his post and apologize if my post came across as an attack. I also agree that the trade left the Twins somewhat short in CF, however the actions of this season have done much more to put the team into its current bind then what the trade caused.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Is something wrong with Presley? Is that why the Twins released him? His OPS+ is down to 51 with Houston.

 

Yikes. That makes Aaron Hicks look good.

[jokin]

I completely missed what he was saying in his post and apologize if my post came across as an attack. I also agree that the trade left the Twins somewhat short in CF, however the actions of this season have done much more to put the team into its current bind then what the trade caused.

 

The Twins starting 2013 had no leadoff hitter or experienced starting major league CFer. As it still remains in doubt if Aaron Hicks is a starting major league CFer, plus they have no obvious leadoff man on their roster, they have yet to adequately address those issues as of May 20, 2014. The actions of this season, as you put it, seem to be willful denial of the hole they dug for themselves back in late 2012.

[kdrupp09]

The Twins starting 2013 had no leadoff hitter or experienced starting major league CFer. As it still remains in doubt if Aaron Hicks is a starting major league CFer, plus they have no obvious leadoff man on their roster, they have yet to adequately address those issues as of May 20, 2014. The actions of this season, as you put it, seem to be willful denial of the hole they dug for themselves back in late 2012.

 

I can't help but wonder if the plan for this season was to make it work with whatever they might have in the time being and then keep Buxton up after the Future's game in July.

[cmathewson]

The Twins starting 2013 had no leadoff hitter or experienced starting major league CFer. As it still remains in doubt if Aaron Hicks is a starting major league CFer, plus they have no obvious leadoff man on their roster, they have yet to adequately address those issues as of May 20, 2014. The actions of this season, as you put it, seem to be willful denial of the hole they dug for themselves back in late 2012.

 

They had enough depth going into this year: Hicks and two replacement players. All they had to do was hold onto the depth they had. When Fuld came along, they could have DFAd Presley for that upgrade, keeping one guy with options in case of injury.

[DJL44]

Is something wrong with Presley? Is that why the Twins released him? His OPS+ is down to 51 with Houston.

 

Yikes. That makes Aaron Hicks look good.

 

It was never Presley v. Hicks. It was Presley v. Bartlett and Bartlett is out of baseball.

[Brock Beauchamp]

It was never Presley v. Hicks. It was Presley v. Bartlett and Bartlett is out of baseball.

 

Oh, I realize that... I'm just wondering why Presley, a guy whose OPS+ usually hovers around 90-95, is suddenly a 51 OPS+ player.