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Milwaukee the last two years is pretty close. In the end they looked good but look back at the previous few years of those relievers heading into the season.
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Concur. Would a path to a trade be a team trading a bat with one or two years left for prospects or possibly a team trying to trade a contract? I think those kinds of deals happen every off season. The Twins have the prospect depth to win in these kinds of trades. Someone is probably going to push me for specifics and I don’t have them. I would be really surprised though if no good bats move this winter.
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To answer the question I think the Twins are poised to compete in 2026. They have work to do. I don’t think they have anyone in the current bullpen that will step up to replace the relievers they lost. They are going to have to find most of those pieces among their many starters. Maybe it is Bradley, Festa and Priellipp heading. Look at the pens of the Mariners and Brewers. They have both continued to trade off successful relievers and replaced with players acquired in trade or even off waivers. They need to spend prospect capital to acquire a top of the line up bat. They have the prospect depth to make this kind of trade. They need to push their payroll up towards the league median. That really is the only way the Pohlad’s can follow through with their promise of commitment. There is no other measure. Will Falvey and the Pohlad’s follow through? We are inundated with places to debate that. I highly doubt it but let’s debate that elsewhere. I would be interested in a different debate here. Do they have enough talent and resources to build a competitive team next year?
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Hatch could be a nice story. I think the better fit would be the “next Carl Willis” who joined the Twins at 30 and pitched well in relief for three seasons including the 1991 World Series. I am not sure which is more likely. Will Hatch have an important role in the pen and finish the 2026 year with the Twins? Will Gasper be the back up catcher and finish 2026 with the Twins? It seems unlikely that Gasper will be the second catcher but I am not sure Hatch has a role larger than the back end of the pen that will be DFA’d by May 1.
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A Twins Fan’s Tanking Guide for the Rest of 2025
jorgenswest replied to Matthew Taylor's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The Twins are also playing for today. Today matters. The Twins should be playing for 2026. 2026 matters. Call up Mick Abel. Get the three injured starters back on the mound. Some will get a look in the pen. Look at Taj Bradley in the bullpen. Fight to win each game. That fight now will matter next year. -
Aren’t the Brewers one of the best defensive teams in the league? Isn’t Ortiz a key to that as one of the best defensive shortstops? I don’t think anyone who has watched him play defense the last two years would think he is anywhere near replaceable. The Brewers are fast, young and play defense. Turns out that is an inexpensive model. They are in the bottom half of home runs and 10th in OPS. In spite of the middling team slash stats they lead the league in runs scored. Maybe we need to look beyond OPS to decide what is replacement level.
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I would like to see Abel, Bradley, Festa, Lopez and Woods Richardson but we don’t need to wait until September to find a place for them when ready. I hope we see Abel in his next start. Some will have to pitch from the pen but that won’t prevent them from starting next year. I don’t think it would be wise to add anyone to the 40 other than those that are certain to be protected from the rule 5 draft in the winter. It just gives them more flexibility to build the roster during the winter. Not playing in September doesn’t prohibit Eeles or Jenkins from making the roster next spring. I don’t know what to make of Fedko’s high BABIP and relatively low EV in AAA. I guess I would not trust the AAA slash stats to be very meaningful in this small sample with the extreme BABIP not supported by a high EV. I think the eyes of those seeing him play in person every day would be the better judge. I don’t think I would add Sabato to the 40 man in the winter. His lack of positional flexibility suggests that he is either a starter at 1B or DH or not on the 26 man roster. He isn’t very helpful on the bench. I would add Gonzalez because he has the upside of a 21 year old. I think he should continue in AAA though.
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Outman is a very good centerfielder. The last three years the Twins have spent money to acquire a one year solution as the back up centerfielder in Taylor, Margot and Bader. At -11 OAA across 1500+ major league innings Outman has established himself to be very good with the glove in centerfield. He doesn’t need to be an average major league hitter to help this team as their inexpensive back up centerfielder.
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My apologies. I will be more clear. My original thought was the can better compete for bats that will be moved in a trade than a free agent bat. “Whatever it takes” means just enough to best other teams in the trade market for that bat. I feel they have the depth in their prospect pool to win those kinds of deals. BTV isn’t perfect and I don’t subscribe but it has shown to be a reasonable measure for what it would take to win a deal. I would trade what it takes to add a bat this winter. I don’t know which bats will be available. A few moved last winter in trade so I assume some will be moved again. I don’t know what it would take. Do need to have those answers to suggest that free agency isn’t the only route to a bat and that the trade route might be better?
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I appreciate your effort in putting this together. Particularly for the players that came up with the Twins or found their first success with the Twins I continue to care that they do well. I read you recap with interest.
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Whatever it takes. The Twins have the prospect capital to make it work. They aren’t out of reach. It will take more to get the younger Contreras. Someone with BTV might offer a starting point.
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You would want me running the team because I would be very willing to trade prospects. Two examples without looking at the rosters if every team. Contreras from Milwaukee is a possibility as the Brewers have a catcher coming and they are willing to deal players as they get expensive in arbitration. Contreras from St. Louis is playing 1B and St. Louis might want out of the contract. Those are two roads the Twins can look either getting an arb2 or arb3 or someone who has a year or two left on the free agent deal. Both players have two years left with the elder Contreras having a club option for 2028.
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I don’t think a free agent is the best route because the long term commitment doesn’t always work well for mid market teams. They could compete for Alonso or Bellinger who have player options and would be wise to get into the market at a high point. They would fit at 1B but it wouldn’t be worth it. At catcher they could fill some of that salary space to extend Jeffers. In any case they should play him 2/3 of the time next year and his wRC+ of 113 will fit pretty well there. I would rather they give up prospect capital for a top of the line up bat. That might be a bat that has a year or two left in arbitration before they become a free agent. Those kinds of deals happen every winter. The Twins don’t need long term control here. They have been pretty successful at building a prospect pool and not so successful at reaping the fruits of that pool. They can afford to trade from their prospects. A reasonable response would be that the Twins wouldn’t do either. Probably true. I am not here to guess what the Twins will do. I am just offering my thoughts on what they should do. Responding to the OP I think there is a road to a competitive team in 2026.
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They need to get back to 2023 where they had the median payroll. They can contend in 2026 with that commitment from the Pohlad’s. They say they are committed. We need to see it with there pocketbook. Tearing it down will lead to an endless cycle of mediocrity or worse. They have a two year window with Lopez and Ryan. Maximize that window.
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I agree. One of my frustrations with the Twins of the 2000s was that they would not ever go big at the deadline to get add to the top of the line up or playoff caliber starter. They would make a bench move or add to the bullpen. Would I have that same frustration with the Brewers of the last 7 years? They are in great position this year. They added a second catcher and some injured arms. To @Mike Sixel’s point they are relying on their system instead of adding bench or bullpen pieces with the exception of getting that catcher. I hope this is their year.
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How have the Brewers done in the playoffs? Did trading off elite pieces prevent them from winning playoff series? Should they have made bigger moves at the deadline? Since they last won a playoff series in 2018 I think they have gone 2-10 in their last 5 seasons in the playoffs. This year looks different but they look pretty similar to the Twins of the 2000s.
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Any reason for hope in the Twins? I don’t see it.
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@Chembry Thanks for the work finding the hypothetical. Our conversation reminded me of something I started putting together connected to the Mariners and our own blow up of the bullpen. I need to get back to that. Since DiPoto has taken over in 2015 he has consistently traded from his bullpen both at the deadline and the off season. It would be extremely out of character for them to give up significant prospect capital to acquire bullpen arms.
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The Mariners have been the team building the bullpen from trades for minor leaguers and failed starters. They even traded away their closer to Arizona when in a pennant race. Sign Sewald to the minimum off of waivers. Develop him as a closer. Trade him while in a pennant race for prospects. It would be an abrupt turnabout in process to be on the other end of that deal.
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Ford wasn’t mentioned in the article and probably why the Twins had to turn to Philadelphia. Seattle is wise to keep Ford. They will need him to catch because Raleigh’s bat is too valuable and he is getting close to 30. I think we will see Raleigh as the secondary catcher with his bat in the line up every day when Ford is ready.
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That 13-1 loss in Boston is still on the top of my unwatchable list. Yesterday was close. Neither offered any hope that this team will be competitive next year. I need that hope. I can’t wait three to five years.
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