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Rumor: Twins Still in on Rodon and Swanson
Nashvilletwin replied to Nashvilletwin's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Yeah, you are totally correct even if the rumor that they are still in hard on both is true. Having said that, desperate people do desperate things and our FO is looking pretty darn desperate right now. Besides, what a great way for Nephew Joe to make a big splash out of the gate. Maybe his uncles give him a Christmas gift. -
Rumor: Twins Still in on Rodon and Swanson
Nashvilletwin replied to Nashvilletwin's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Yep. Only 55 years and a slight loss of hearing in my left ear from attending games 6 and 7 in ‘87. -
Just read on a Cubs- related site that their intel is that the Twins are still looking very hard at both Rodon and Swanson. There’s not that much surprise to that rumour I guess. But what if the ultimate pivot by Falvey from Correa is to sign both of them? It sounds outlandish, and far deeper pocket teams would need to be beat out in the bidding. But, even with the likely “overpay” (whatever that means), the total annual cost vs. Correa stand alone would probably only be about $20MM more ($50MM vs $30MM or so) and the lengths of the contracts would be shorter. The Twins could afford it and a few moves - trading Kepler for example - could ease the burden. These two signings would certainly fire up the base and position the team as the favorite in the Central. Who knows, with a true #1, we might even win a playoff game. Besides, signing just one doesn’t really move the dial neigh for this club on so many fronts. But both……? Falvey is a bit of a rabbit out of the hat puller. I’m not putting anything past him at this point. Unlikely - for sure. Impossible - no. View full rumor
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Just read on a Cubs- related site that their intel is that the Twins are still looking very hard at both Rodon and Swanson. There’s not that much surprise to that rumour I guess. But what if the ultimate pivot by Falvey from Correa is to sign both of them? It sounds outlandish, and far deeper pocket teams would need to be beat out in the bidding. But, even with the likely “overpay” (whatever that means), the total annual cost vs. Correa stand alone would probably only be about $20MM more ($50MM vs $30MM or so) and the lengths of the contracts would be shorter. The Twins could afford it and a few moves - trading Kepler for example - could ease the burden. These two signings would certainly fire up the base and position the team as the favorite in the Central. Who knows, with a true #1, we might even win a playoff game. Besides, signing just one doesn’t really move the dial neigh for this club on so many fronts. But both……? Falvey is a bit of a rabbit out of the hat puller. I’m not putting anything past him at this point. Unlikely - for sure. Impossible - no.
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Hear me out - as outlandish as this sounds. What if Falvey has one huge kick save left in his arsenal? That kick save would be to sign Rodon and Swanson. It’s no as outlandish as it sounds. Dollars spent for Rodon plus Swanson > Correa; but maybe only by $15MM annually and probably for fewer years. One of the two is probably not enough to get the fan base excited or get us over the hump. But both…… Its not crazy and I’m not putting it past Falvey that this strategy isn’t on his mind right now.
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Doc, there is a lot of truth in what you write. And punting via a complete rebuild trading anyone not going to be here in two - three years is certainly on the table - and that includes Mahle, Maeda, Gray, Polanco, Kepler and Arraez. Perhaps there is one giant kick save left in the bag for Falvey: sign both Swanson and Rodon. It’s not likely, but not impossible. And it may be the only strategy that averts or postpones what seems to be inevitable at this point.
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The ultimate kick save from Falvey would be to sign both Rodon and Swanson.
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Rumor: Gray and Maeda Drawing Trade Interest
Nashvilletwin replied to mnfireman's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Of course they are. Boy, it didn’t take long for the wolves to start circling. The general consensus around the league must be that the Twins are now up the creek without a paddle. The “we can compete with Correa” illusion has been shattered and there is not much left behind it. The FO wrapped up the team’s entire persona in getting Correa signed, and now that he’s going somewhere else, it’s clear that the emperor is basically naked - a middling staff, no above average position player except Buxton (the few games he actually plays) and possibly Arraez, a depleted prospect list, and a disheartened fickle fan base. Falvey and Levine will be getting the calls from now until the trade deadline for any player who will not be part of the two-three year rebuild. There is a high likelihood that unless this team catches fire out of the gate, Mahle, Maeda, Gray, Kepler, Polanco and Arraez are gone by August 1. -
Falvey: Hey, nice job Zaidi, pinching Correa from us at the last minute like that. Hey, who am I kidding - we both know you were going to sign him once Judge was off the table. Anyway, what are you going to do now with that old other shortstop Crawford? Want to trade him? Zaidi: Why would you want him when you have Farmer (which btw is a legitimate question)? Falvey: Well, I’m kinda backed into a corner with the fan base and, even though we think Farmer’s ok, he’s not going to put butts in the seats or lead us to the playoffs. Zaidi: And Crawford will? Falvey: Well, probably not, but I have to look like I’m doing something. Who do you want for him? Zaidi: You know I’ve always liked you Derek and I’d never take advantage of you in your time of need. How about you send us that often injured guy - what’s his name, Lewis? Yeah and throw in that Lee guy too. Falvey: But those are my only two decent prospects I have left! Zaidi: Hey, don’t get worked up - I was just joshing you. I’ll take Gray and Lee. Take it or leave it. You have one minute to decide - I’m just leaving to take my wife out to dinner to celebrate stealing Correa from you. Lol
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Minnesota is a classic front running market - winning brings fans. 2022 was saved by the club playing meaningful baseball into September. A slow start and realistically out of it by mid-late June, coupled with this lineup, inflation pressures, and an iffy downtown, 18,000/game or under 1.5MM for the season sounds about right.
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Could be. But Rocco is at the helm. It’s his responsibility overall. Now, possibly one could excuse Rocco a bit on this front if he were a strong in-game manager. But he’s not. You want to win as small market team? Better start with a manager/coaching staff that can get the most out of their players and be several games net positive over a season on in-game tactics/strategy. Rocco and his staff are neither.
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It’s the most realistic option and the truth. But it can be augmented: Pivot 5: Roll with what we have but trade out our FO and Rocco for a new unit who can develop our young talent - not only in the minors, but also when they get to the Show, Having that type of team leadership is how small/mid market teams can flourish.
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100%. This is critical for small/mid market team success. We have not had it and should not expect to with Rocco.
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Well, when you put it that way…. Face it, unless option 1 comes to fruition, the Twins are in a big hole for ‘23. There is no need to go long a top starter with the lineup we are projected to have in ‘23. So don’t waste the big bucks now and certainly do not deplete further our dwindling prospect list. Maybe we could move Kepler for IKF, but that is hardly a needle mover. Even with signing CC, the overarching goal was to keep building for a wide open window starting as early as ‘24, while still having a shot in ‘23. Swanson is the only realistic option that keeps that strategy alive. If that doesn’t work, we just shouldn’t panic. Yeah, maybe add some sort of seat filler, but the key is to keep building for a new window with a new young, affordable core.
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Gut Punch! Carlos Correa Signs with the Giants
Nashvilletwin replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Haha - when you think about it, they already have a lot who won’t be part of the next “open window”: Kepler, Polanco, Farmer, maybe Arraez (hopefully he stays) Lopez, and at least two of Mahle, Maeda, and Gray. Others? -
Gut Punch! Carlos Correa Signs with the Giants
Nashvilletwin replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Agree, the FO was putting chips down in the hope that we could make a run with CC, and now maybe Swanson. But the old “young core” is over, done. We did not get it done with BB, MK, MS, JP, and JB (who rightfully left earlier). Mahle was a Hail Mary to try to save last season (that backfired) plus a bet CC would return this year (that backfired too). And resigning CC was more about a competitive rebuild - I think he even understood he was going to be a key cog in getting the new young guys developed. With CC this team would have a had a shot in ‘23, but would really would have been developing for a more open window in ‘24-‘26. That’s the bet the FO was willing to make by paying big money on a long term deal for CC. -
Gut Punch! Carlos Correa Signs with the Giants
Nashvilletwin replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Disagree. Arraez is basically the face of the franchise right now (sorry 100 game Buxton). He’s not being traded. -
Gut Punch! Carlos Correa Signs with the Giants
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Gut Punch! Carlos Correa Signs with the Giants
Nashvilletwin replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Yeah, it always felt like that. I wanted CC a lot, but it’s not like I can forget how worthless he was at the plate when we really needed him. September just felt like garbage time in an NFL game. Swanson would still be a great pickup. A Farmer solution feels like a just a placeholder waiting on a good, but risky, bet. Without CC or Swanson, I’m not sure it makes sense to break the bank on the other Carlos. We need to face facts: we really weren’t that competitive with CC and the lineup we are projecting without him is not an upgrade. We were realistically in somewhat of a rebuild anyway for the next year or two and now that is even more true. Rodon will not lead us to the promised land any more than CC would have. Nope, it’s probably time to implement that time honored small/mid market strategy - build up a young solid core at bargain rates and then splurge a bit when the window looks like it is opening. Sad, but that’s the reality of being a franchise like the Twins in a non-salary cap league. -
Rumor: NY Post reports Mets interested in Correa
Nashvilletwin replied to Eris's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
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This is a good point, but I’m salivating over several years of an infield of CC, Lewis, and Lee, with Arraez and Miranda at 1B/DH and Julien as a swing infielder. If its Swanson instead of CC, so be it. In either case, we have great positional flexibility with a super mix of defense and offense. Also, other than CC or Swanson and a bit of Arraez, the rest of that infield/DH is super cheap and the overall cost is very attractive. Moreover, signing either CC or Swanson hedges us out on prospect risk.
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Another difference - he’s probably $10MM/year cheaper which is worth a really good relief pitcher each year. Hard to say all things considered - including the intangibles and opportunity cost of money (which is a real thing to a mid market franchise like the Twins) - which player overall would contribute more. Love CC, but Swanson is also a very, very good baseball player. I’d still take CC as the franchise face alongside Buxton. However, if Swanson ends up being our guy on a shorter, cheaper deal with fewer opt outs or no trade clauses, we shouldn’t be upset.
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Rumor: Twins/Yankees talking trade....
Nashvilletwin replied to mnfireman's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Get rid of the shift, throw in a short RF porch, add a gold glove, and you have the perfect fit for Kepler in the Bronx. We’ll take back Rortvedt and a decent reliever.

