TheLeviathan
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What the hell Darnold? Great playcalling and the QB straight up throws it to the defense. Woof.
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Yeah, Harry needs to hang em up. He's just a step or two slow.
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The Jags have the worst GM in the league. That team is straight up garbage.
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Dallas being terrible is delicious in so many ways though.
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To be fair....Denver is not a very good 5-3 team. But the Ravens pass defense is a major issue for them.
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When you look at the slate of gsmes, you can tell why the Vikes got flexed. Matchups are ugly this week.
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Flacco really makes it diffivult to predict. I think a narrow win sounds right.
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That was a retraction? If you say so.
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I missed the "my bad, I overstated my case about where they would rank and was too dismissive of valid points on the state of the scoring offense in total" Those arguments are what derailed any good faith consideration. I do see where you're trying to go, I don't wish to engage with it if all arguments made are in bad faith.
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My number didn't cherry pick or flirt with counterfactuals. And still, after all the cherry picking, 26th still isn't "easily bottom five". You can't back up "easily bottom five". You argued 8th in scoring was "barely top ten" to dismiss it. Tried not to count field goals. It's a fallacious argument, from the beginning. You either can't make the point fairly or, for some bizarre reason, choose this unfair/embellished one. If you have a good case to make....why not just make it without the hyperbole? Or obviously narrowed criteria?
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I didnt watch....but that's nuts.
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Unlike you, I didn't cherry pick anything. I simply added up their total points over the course of the last 14 quarters. 3 against GB, 23 against the Jets, 29 against the Lions, and 20 against the rams. That's a total of 75 points. Take those 75 points and divide by 14 quarters and it comes out to 5.35 points per quarter. If they maintained that pace they'd be averaging 21.4 points per game. Which is decidely above the bottom of the league. Which is exactly what I said. I'm sorry you literally didn't do the math for your position. I did. At this point, to be "easily bottom five in the league" they'd have to be sub 17 points per game. No method of calculation will arrive at a number to support that conclusion. What I just did was demonstrate exactly what multiple people are trying to tell you: you aren't making a good argument. You're using half-baked calculations, broad generalizations, and cherry picked statistics to arrive at the conclusion you want rather than using the numbers to guide a conclusion. You're not doing analysis, you're stumping. You took what could have been a sustainable, reasonable point and dressed it in hyperbole and falsehoods to the point that it should be called out for what it is. Schlock.
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My number one issue with this team is that it runs and moves like a slow pitch, beer league softball team. We're the White Sox we used to chide when we ran around them like pirahnas. I'm all for some bash, but this team needs more dash. We're simply not making life difficult enough on our opponents in between slugging.- 32 replies
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A lot of sports fans think injuries come down to luck or training (and those factor in), but at the end of the day so much of it is out of the hands of the athlete at all and comes down to genetic lottery. It's unfortunate injuries happen. Some people, despite all the other gifts that could lead them to such an exciting career, simply have other factors holding them back from achieving that dream. Kid came a long way and I'm happy he's made a choice that will help him live comfortably the rest of his days. Sad he couldn't see it through.
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Just for the record - Vikings are 7th in scoring on the season. 16th over the last 3 games. And over the last 14 quarters are averaging about 21.5 points per game. That would place them about 20-22nd if they continued it. Which is 4-5 points higher than bottom 5. So, quite literally, nowhere close to being "easily bottom five".
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Actually, I acknowledged KOC has flaws and said I've criticized him myself. What you want everyone to do is accept your broad, hyperbolic conclusions are validly drawn from your cherry picked, overstated anecdotes. Your arguments actually prove MY point. Of course my examples don't support broad conclusions - that was the point! I used your argument to draw the same kind of sweeping conclusions and you (with a stunning display of lack of self-awareness) fell right into it. You keep thinking that your tactic here is something worth a back and forth. It isn't. You're wrong for the same reason my purposefully narrow attacks on those coaches was wrong. So....no, I'm not going to agree with this paragraph. It hasn't been "literally half the season". You keep trying to make that argument despite the fact, to use your favorite word, it quite literally isn't true. It'd be one thing if you said "Man guys...I'm a little concerned that our offense has had some stretches where it really struggles. Is that a red flag for the future" Yeah, that's a concern with valid arguments behind it. "I dont think KOC is very good and it's becuse the Vikings have sucked for literally half the time since the Big Bang and KOC literally can't spell football!" is an argument I'll just pass on partaking with, thank you very much.
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The mental gymnastics in this post would make a Russian ballerina blush. London games are frequently sloppy and erratic, not just for the Vikings but for all teams. The point was that most teams that go to London dont play a representative game, win or lose. Let's do the rest rapid fire: Andy Reid's vaunted offensive genius has looked hideous for a long time now. Like....Patrick Mahomes dropped in fantasy leagues bad. Tomlin's teams have made the 1970s look like passing juggernauts. Harbaugh's team lost to a backup QB this week. Lafluer's teams haven't won squat and had some of the most ridiculous postseason chokes of recent memory. McVay's Rams have 15 total wins the last two years. 5 less than KOC despite half their schedule being against a garbage ass division. See how the cherry picking game works? Those are all good coaches. All with imperfect performances that one could contort themselves into attacking if they saw fit. You're trying too hard man. Like...WAY too hard.
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I mean...even with the effort to take out defensive TDs they are still top 10. Yes, they had a bad second half against GB. (But...I'll point out, when the offensive NEEDED to score. They did) The Jets are a good defensive team and they played in London. I thought they played fine. We had a good first half against the Rams. Yeah, we've had three bad stretches (first half of Det, second halves of LA and GB). In 7 games, why is that time to worry? Something to improve, sure. Good coaches go through stretches like that all the time! Tell me....who IS a great coach in the NFL in your opinion? And brace yourself, I guarantee you I can point to some seriously problematic stretches for them too.
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Top 10 scoring team. As Mike rightly pointed out. You are deliberately narrowing the context.
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You think after 7 games (which includes the most difficult stretch of their season) is a good time to make year by year comparisons? Also...we finished 10th with Mullens and Dobbs at QB......and you still want to toss out that kind of claim? KOC can be criticized, I've done so myself here on TD, but criticisms should attempt fairness. Yours is deliberately cooking the stats to fit an agenda.
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Well, he's had absolute garbage at QB. That's not really on him. I'd take Dionte Johnson over Hopkins all day.
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I mean....you acknowledge that last year's 19th has some factors in it beyond KOC right? Were you here for last year? Do you not remember what last year entailed?
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Losing Ben Rortvedt "gutted" our catching core. I admit, it's a bold take.
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You lost me at the "Getting Correa wasn't a big deal" thesis.
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I'd bet they move Brandel to LT and put Risner at LG. That's my prediction. I think they deal one of their 5th rounders for a DT, OL, or CB. (Probably get a 6th or a 7th back with the guy)
