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Just another name for Rocco to use when he changes the lineup every day. If you thought Buxton was going to get time off in CF before this trade you gotta believe that just went up ten fold now. As for him being a light hitting outfielder, his .254 BA last year makes him a better option in RF than Kepler. It'll be interesting to see how much playing time he gets in CF verses LF or RF.

A well run FO and Manager would have done exactly what you wish for, last year. Unfortunately they think differently. I'm sure, as you are writing and we are reading articles here on Twins Daily, Rocco is already going over his schedule and penciling in off days for Buxton, Correa and others thinking his "Plan" will work this year. In fact he will likely doubledown on giving off days thinking he didn't give enough last year due to all of the injuries. From his constant lineup changes to the misuse of his starters and over use of the bullpen, the "Plan" will undoubtably fail again. Rocco, the FO and Ownership doesn't understand that if they want fans in the stands you need to play your best players every day, especially at home. If you want the best chance at winning games, you need to play your best players every day, and if you want your best players to perform at their highest level they need to play every day. If they are hurt or come to you saying they need a day off are the only times they shouldn't be in the lineup at their usual position.

The FO, due to the inability to get top free agent pitchers to come to Minnesota, or their unwillingness to spend enough money to get them, have settled with the current strategy of broken pitchers we'll call Plan A. I agree that getting your young arms up and letting then learn may be a better strategy, Plan B. It appears that this FO has decided to make that Plan C or the "Fallback Plan" when the injuries return, which is a high probability. One thing it has shown is that, if you don't have enough faith in using Plan B, you maybe have not done a very good job drafting young arms.

If you look at his 2017 and 2018 seasons under Rowson there is not a major difference to them compared to his 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons. His 2019 season which was probably his career year is out of the norm and not what to expect from him. You also have to remember in 2019 they used the juice ball which is not in play anymore. That is another reason to think and expect that he won't replicate his 2019 numbers again.

I guess I misunderstood the $1.2M figure. I figured that is all he is worth. Some minors leaguers that get paid the minimum can hit as good or better than him so I don't get how he is worth $11M + another $1.2M = $12.2M. If he is really worth $1.2M more than the $11M they paid him I suggest they trade him while his value is high.

Using your numbers I guess it is safe to say the $11M the Twins gave away to Gallo was a bit of an OVER-PAY!

I'm not really sure what to think of this trade. With both players being young and in their prime I think it will take 2 or 3 years of watching them play and then evaluating them to see who got the better deal. I hate losing the best hitter on the team for a #2 starter. If it would have been an Ace it would be much easier to swallow. Should we believe the two prospects in the deal made up the difference? Maybe, but with Lewis, Lee, Julien, Martin, Miller all within a year or two/three and Miranda and Correa on board already, is getting another infielder in Salas really where the team needed more depth? Chourio is a long way off to place any value on other than hope. Questions now arrise. Will Rocco let Lopez pitch more than 5 innings? or 6? Who plays 1B if Kirilloff can't? Gallo and his .160 BA? That's a monstrous fall off from a .300 hitter. Who gets on base so the occasional HR's aren't all solo shots? I would agree the rotation is stronger and deeper but they still don't have an Ace. They also don't have an OB machine or pitch count accumulator, he's gone. Is a pitcher who plays every "5th day" going to improve the team enough to make up for a hitter that wore out opposing pitchers "every day"? Time will tell.

"Yes, I would rather have Kepler/Buxton/Gallo in the outfield" I would have to respectfully disagree. While they may be 3 of the best defensive guys the Twins could put out there, their offensive production would probably be the worst in the majors. If you like seeing an occasional HR in-between 3 guys that have gotten every good at walking back to the dugout after recording another K then by all means enjoy it. I have grown tired of watching the all or nothing approach that very seldom results in run production.

If it means less Garlick then I'm all for it.

Rocco and this FO will never lead the Twins to a Championship. I will gladly eat crow if they do but I don't see how it will ever happen the way they construct a team with below average hitters, under-utilize the starters, over-use the bullpen, and have no concern about a players health when they sign them thus throwing money away to injured players that can't play. Great Managers play their best players every day, not a different lineup every day because some paper trail tells them to do it. Kepler was at one time a good clutch RBI guy according to the "numbers". Point being.. "at one time" doesn't mean he always will be. Continually batting him in the middle of the lineup because some number tells you to do so isn't a smart decision when he isn't doing it anymore. Making adjustments that help you win make you great. Rocco is too slow at doing that. Like sticking with Colome/Pagan as closers. It's as if he is watching the game but doesn't see what is happening. He's dumbfounded because the "numbers" tell him something different should be happening so he doesn't believe it. What makes a Manager great? Being flexible and willing to throw the numbers out the window. He won't, so my guess is he will go down with the ship when this FO gets fired. Until then, we as fans will slowly fade away because the "numbers" that matter tell us this is not fun, exciting, talented, good baseball to watch. Tell Dave St. Peter that you'll only get fans to come to games that are the type they like to watch. Evidently the scenario we have now, isn't it.

Duvall would be a good replacement for Kepler since he is a righty clone of Kepler. Can barely hit above .200 and strikes out plenty. The hole would remain in the lineup, perfect!

I've been a Twins fan for over 50 years. I can't get excited about a team that is managed by paper stats and plays dull boring baseball. I'm a big fan of guys that can at least hit for a decent average.... Arraez, Miranda. Polanco when he isn't hurt. I think Correa is a huge overpay for what he brings offensively. That means at least half of the lineup is likely to make an out if they don't hit a HR, and that HR will likely only be a solo shot since most of the lineup can't hit for average. I liked the Vazquez and Farmer signings. Gallo is the worst $11M spent by this FO since they started running things. It takes an Ace to win big games. They don't have one. Which means if they win the division they'll still sputter in the playoffs. As a fan, games during the regular season can become meaningless if there is little to no chance that the team will make the playoffs or win any games if they get there. Like I said, they have to prove to me they are talented, prove to me they can play good baseball, prove to me they are managed correctly. Prove to me they can win meaningful games in October. Then I'll get interested in watching.

Re-signing him to a minor league deal would be the Twins way. That way he can block the development of younger players that need the experience. Also, if he gets off to a great start in AAA the Twins wouldn't hesitate to bring him up and provide the other teams pitcher with at least 2 or 3 K's per game while killing every rally the other hitters created. Seriously though, if Arraez can't play 1st base I put Gallo there. Or I move Miranda there and play Farmer at 3rd. There's also the possibility that we see a healthy Kirilloff in 2023. The only way I sign him to a minor league deal is if my intentions are to trade him if he shows any sign of being a big league hitter. Who knows, you might be able to flip him or package him with someone else for a decent prospect if that would happen.

"It’s time to support a team rather than being the thing the team has to conquer. We are the Minnesota Twins, and we are a good baseball team, and it’s time to show up at Target field in 2023." Quick question... Why is the time to support this team now? Many fans have been supporting this team for years through the good seasons and the bad. Maybe Twins fans just can't get excited about a team that plays fundamentals poorly, that doesn't manufacture runs, that can't get clutch hits when they need them. That comes to a game to have their child see their favorite player play but then finds out after he is there that Rocco gives him a rest day. That they are tired watching Rocco blow another game using his Colome/Pagan closer mentality. Or seeing a starter get pulled after 5 innings even though he is cruising only to have the over-worked relievers cough up the lead for no reason. IMO it will be time to support this team when it proves it can play good exciting baseball and win meaningful games again. Until then, they need to prove to the fans that THEY are what the fans WANT. If they aren't, no amount of cheerleading from anyone including sports writers will change their minds.

The only improvement has been Vazquez over Sanchez. If both Gallo and Kepler play instead of one over the other then they went backwards in the hitting department. It was good to get rid of the hole in the lineup when Sano went down and thus not re-signed but Gallo will fill his shoes easily by providing that hole once again. Farmer might be slight upgrade over Urshela only due to his versatility and ability to play catcher in a pinch. They've done nothing to improve the pitching however it might BE better due to improved health, which isn't a given with this team. We'll see.

If you don't go big you might as well go home. Or in other words, if you aren't getting an Ace who would slot above Gray or Mahle then just go with what you got. The problem with going big is that it is also going to cost you big and there is no way I trade Lewis, Lee, Rodriguez, Arraez, Miranda or Larnach and Kirilloff at this point. It's kind of sad when you feel that some of the prospects and young hitters that haven't proven themselves yet are more important to keep than the veterans who are playing. I wouldn't miss Kepler, Gallo or Buxton who only plays part-time anyway. Like Sano, I think he is over-rated over-hyped and could easily be replaced by someone who can play a full season and actually be available if they reach the playoffs.

It may be nice that the FO made a 6 year committment to a player like Correa. It is another thing to determine if, even with the lower price they ended up paying, that it isn't still an overpay. How will everyone feel about the signing if he has another season or two like he did in 2018 when he hit .239? Or if he becomes a part-time player like Buxton who can't stay on the field due to the health issues the Giants and Mets recognized? Could it be that the Giants and Mets have a FO that is smarter than the Twins? Will having a Correa for 6 years tying up that much money affect their ability to extend some of the young players in the next 6 years? Or their ability to sign a different player that could be the real difference maker? Point is,... there are more ramifications to signing a player to a huge salary than just paying that player. Also, extending an apology to a FO that got a player to fall into their lap because 2 other teams, with possibly smarter people running them, is not reason enough for an apology. What the FO does from this point forward will show what their intentions are and how good they are at doing them. They haven't shown me anything up to this point that they are really good at what they do. The Correa signing alone won't be enough to make this team a legitimate playoff contender. Tell me who is going to be the teams best hitter in the outfield? Is Buxton and Gallo hitting 30 HR each going to be enough when they are also hitting .225 and .160? Or Kepler hitting .230? Larnach, Kirilloff? Celestino, Wallner? Every outfield position is a question mark as to if they'll be on the field, and if they are, can they hit? They've assemble the biggest cobbled up core of players that can't stay on the field or hit that I've seen in all my years (50+) as a Twins fan. In 2023 Correa ($36+M), Buxton ($15.1M), Gallo ($11M) and Kepler ($8.5M) need to start hitting, driving in runs, and lead the offense like they are being paid. If we get another year of run production like they had in 2022 from those 4 it'll be just another example of this FO making more mistakes.

Farmer is catcher #3. He won't get any reps there unless Jeffers or Vazquez get hurt and even then it will be very few. As for the outfield, you need twice as many when most of them are part-timers, hurt or can't hit. I long for the days when we had a Gladden, Puckett and Brunansky that played every day instead of the cobbled up crap we see today. It is depressing to have a FO that signs a Gallo, who is a worse hitter than Kepler to apparently replace Kepler who also can't hit. Hope and a Prayer eventually for maybe an outfield of Martin, Lewis and Rodriguez and a Manager that will let them play everyday........... if they can stay healthy.

So it is better to throw money at injured players that you may never get a return from verses taking a chance on a healthy player. How is wasted money helping you compete? How is the player sitting on IR helping you win. How is hoping when they return from their injury they will be healthy enough to make a difference? The Twins will have Paddack for 4 seasons and he might be able to play 2? Maybe? In what capacity? He could very well be even less effective than any of the guys you mentioned above and that probablility is high considering he is coming off a 2nd TJ surgery. Let's face the truth, this FO has NO concern over injured players. The current lineup and pitching staff has plenty of them and last season it reared it's ugly head. Why should anyone believe it will all of the sudden just go away especially when they sign or trade for more injured players at will. Wasting money does NOT help you compete especially when your revenue is less than other clubs.

According to MLB trade rumors Paddack gets 2.5M in 2023, 2.5M in 2024 and 7.5M in 2025. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the FO would throw money at players that can actually play and weren't huge injury risks with major question marks if they'll ever be worth the money they give them. Sure the cost is minimal until you start adding all of the wasted money they spend making these types of deals, then it could have gotten them a decent healthy player or two.

Re-signing a player you had, who wanted to stay, that left to go to two other teams that they rejected due to health concerns and then falls into your lap a 2nd time hardly saves an off-season. Why does anyone expect him to be better than he was last year? His 2022 season was about average for him when he's healthy. Is everyone expecting him to suddenly be a 200 Hits, 30 HR, 100RBI guy, when he has never ever come close to in his 8 year career? His salary is that of a superstar, which he isn't. The deals on two players that have saved this off-season so far are Farmer and Vazquez, they have improved the team over last year, not Correa.

"Think about that for a minute.... one of the best players in baseball chose to come to Minnesota." I think you need to look at the numbers over his 8 year career and then ask yourself if he really is one of the best players in baseball. Yes he plays one of the most demanding positions and plays it well. But offensively he is NOT among the best players in baseball. Not even close. He is slightly above average. 4 years of his 8 year career have been limited by injuries. During his upcoming 6 year contract it is very possible if not even probable that he will only play a full season in 3 or 4 of those years. With the money he cost, I hope I'm wrong and he does become a superstar because he hasn't shown it offensively based on his past performance that he is.

I'm not sure that Kepler is automatically considered a trade just because of the Gallo signing. With Larnach and Kirilloff as question marks going into the season I could see Rocco using an outfield of Gallo, Buxton and Kepler on opening day. Should he be traded, yes, but his return would be minimal and unfortunately if Gallo is his replacement the hole in the lineup will only be bigger. The Gallo signing has got to be one of the worst in Twins history. The guy just can't hit. As for trading Arraez, Why sign Correa if you are going to trade away your best hitter? It doesn't make sense. Same can be said for Gray, he's the closest thing they have to an Ace. Yeah get rid of your best pitcher too. Unless the haul in return is terrific I don't trade either of those guys. You don't get better in the short-term by trading away your best players, which with the Correa signing, I don't see the FO looking long-term but now going all-in for the here and now. I think they'll be more inclined to trade away more young players and prospects now.

I find it interesting that his considered worth is another 4-5 wins. Let's all remember that last year he didn't lead the Twins in any offensive catagory. He didn't start hitting well until the last month or 6 weeks of the season when the Twins were pretty much out of the divisional race. I know 2023 and beyond is NOT 2022 and you cannot expect the future to be the same as the past but with all of the hoopla that he's a superstar I just don't see it. His career averages over his 8 year career are 111 games per season, 116 Hits, 19 HRs, 69RBI's, with a .279 BA. I may have higher expectations for someone to be considered a superstar than others but I don't consider those numbers to be of superstar value. He's only played a full season 3 times in his 8 year career. He's only hit above .300 once, never drove in 100 runs, never come close to 200 hits, only hit more than 25 HR once. He's missed a lot of games due to injury which does skew the numbers average wise but he doesn't get less money when he's hurt so that only makes his cost when he's hurt even higher. He's a slightly above average player playing a tough defense position. Will the Twins win a World Series because of Correa, No, It will take other players to become real superstars to carry the team. IMO the Twins over-paid.

The only reason it is pointless is because you evidently don't understand it. I never said the move was bad, I never said other teams don't do it. You are making my comment into something more than what I said, which was only about changing him into a 2 pitch pitcher. If it was that easy other teams, or even the players previous team would have done it already. If any comment was pointless it was yours.