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Casas = 0.6 fWAR last year
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Want to attend a Twins game with lots of concessions for cheap? There are many options. Wednesday is $1 hot dog day. At a dozen different vendors around Target Field, get a hod dog for $1. The Twins allow you to bring your own bottled water in for free. Buy Legends Landing seats to get free unlimited food/beverage. There are special family package deals as well. Food too expensive anyway? Fine. YOU CAN BRING YOUR OWN FOOD INTO TARGET FIELD. That's right. Read it again. Gotta have that "craft" beer, do you? Well, around the neighborhood of Target Field, expect it to cost you $13 with tip at the bar for 16oz. Yeah, it's more at Target Field, but I've never seen somebody order a small at Drafts at 34. $20 is 20oz with tip. Need a beer for cheap? If your palate won't be ruined by the horrors of the typical American lagers... at the 3 sections of family pricing, get a 12oz can of Bud/Bud Light for $5. Good season ticket packages drop the price by 15% which basically covers your tip. Good lower levels start at like $25 per game ($500 for 20 game packages) per seat. Want Wild Tickets? Upper level start at $71 per game ($781/seat for 11 games), and you're going to get terrible food for even more money. Vikings starts at $97 for the nosebleeds ($1,552 for 16 games). Get ready to pay through your bleeding nose for concessions as well. Oh, maybe the Timberwolves? They're so embarrassed by their prices, they don't even list them online. Maybe as a Twins fan site writer with such an in-depth knowledge of the cost of attending games, you've heard about Twins pass? $59. Attend literally every single home game for $324. Want good seats while you do this? No problem. Stake out a place outside in the Truly On Deck seating just above sections 101-102. First come, first served. How about the parking costs? $20 in a ramp! I won't do it. So street parking on 4th is $9 through the app. Going solo? Metro Transit costs less than $5 RT from a ton of locations. The North Star service returned last year for a lot of games. I'm sorry the Twins didn't personally knock on your door and offer to sit down at the table to discuss all ways you could attend the games on your own or with a family for dramatically less money or even less money than going to the movie theater.
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No, the Twins would be worth a heck of a lot less with a billion dollars in future guaranteed contracts on the books. Billionaires will care way more about protecting their investment and potential growth of their assets than the likelihood the team is already a World Series competitor. Look at the Timberwolves as an example. The value of that franchise skyrocketed by 25% last year because they were suddenly competitive. As a result, Glen Taylor decided he didn't want to sell at the price point he agreed to, and he's tried to kill the deal to make more money. Any prospective buyer would want the Twins to have the potential to become far better under new ownership because there's a huge potential growth in franchise value and fan interest they could tap into.
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Unless the Twins are absolutely burning it all down, I think they're going to need to rely on their core whether or not they trust in it. In my opinion, trading Royce Lewis makes no sense unless he's part of some huge package deal. Players who are already considered reliable high value guys are pretty much all going to have high salaries as well. If you're trading Lewis for a player who already makes a lot of money, it's an untenable position for the Twins without a corresponding packaged player where the Twins are dumping salary. If you're trading Lewis for an unreliable or unestablished prospect/player, what's the point?
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Gary Sanchez 10/10 times. Stallings signed with Colorado for $2.5MM. Grandal, and McCann are both likely going under $5MM and I'd rather have either one than Vazquez.
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cmoss84’s 2025 Payroll Blueprint: TRUTH: What I would REALLY do.
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LOL, this was a fun blow it all up exercise complete with crazy trades from value and players teams don't even control. 1. Buxton says no, Yankees block the Twins phone number. 2. Correa says no, Mets say "hellllll no!!!!" 3. I think this might work. It all depends on how Boston feels about their pursuit of Soto and their payroll since they'd probably need to go find another CF'er. Personally, I think the Red Sox are leaning on Duran being a future franchise cornerstone so they might not be willing to part with him. 4. Sure, but I think you mean "Chris Williams" who the Twins have no control over since he elected MiLB free agency so the Twins can't trade him because they don't control him. 5. I think Seattle would do this deal just for the value. 6. Cubs laugh and block the Twins' number. Severino is worthless so I'm not sure why you included him, no team wanted him for free on waivers. I don't know as Ober brings back Shaw on his lonesome, let alone the rest of the package. BTV says like 25MM from the Twins for like 70MM from the Cubs. Yeah, I'd have to agree, your FA numbers are not remotely reasonable. Turnbull is probably not taking $3MM after his year last year, but it's not like non-elite RPs are going to be able to command much more than that. Jordan Beeks (you mean Jalen Beeks?) is reasonable, Laureno is going to get more than that. Any position player a team could justify starting is going to make at least $4-5MM. The real issue with your pivot strategy is you're low balling players thinking you can get top notch production for a special discount because the rest of the league doesn't recognize the value. -
So I think we can just say you choose any reclamation project for SP1 consider Bieber now signed with the Guardians for 1 yr $10MM + a player option at $16MM for 2026. Lopez for a 1.5-2.0 WAR 1B in Casas plus two edge of PTBNL toss ins is a colossal overpay by the Twins. While Lopez's contract needs to be moved for the payroll capacity to sign Bieber, packaging Larnach with him to get Kyle Teel + Wilyer Abreu back is more efficient way for addressing Twins needs, IMHO. I think this is probably about an 83 win team. IMHO, Casas is no better than Miranda at 1B, and Miranda's bat doesn't provide big upside at DH. The SP1 scenario is highly likely a significant downgrade from Lopez. Seeing Ryan, Ober, Paddack, Festa, SWR as our rotation for 1/2 a year doesn't inspire me with confidence the Twins would be in a position to claw their way back up in the standings for a playoff run once the hypothetical SP1 returns. While I had my doubts about Seattle giving up a top 50 MLB prospect (their #1 prospect for Fangraphs, #4 for MLB) for Eddie Julien, I did see on BTV it's a universally liked deal by Seattle and Minnesota folks so I'm in! I like Hays... years ago. :) I don't see a way he beats out Larnach for LFer duty now, though. Hays was a butcher in the OF last year, and his bat is probably league average-ish. Kinda like what Larnach was vs. what Larnach probably is now?
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Smalley, Goltz, Koskie. My minimum requirement is 20 WAR with the Twins.
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Jim Kaat was HoF eligible in 1989-2003 (maxing at 29.6%), and the veterans committee 2005-2015 (maxing out at 62.5%) before being specially appointed by the Golden Days Era Committee. The people who were in evaluating Kaat were from 30 years ago, in a totally different era of baseball. Kaat had an exceptionally long and distinguished 25 year career, but he was almost always the #2 or later guy on his team's rotation. The only year you could really say Jim Kaat was the ace starter in the Twins' rotation was 1966. Kaat was almost always behind Pascual, Grant, Chance, Perry or Blyleven. Of course, the resurgence of Kaat's career in 1974-1975 where he was suddenly the White Sox's ace happened, but it was 2 very short years in a huge career. He never won an ERA title or a Cy Young. He made the All Star team only 3x in 25 years, and he was a top 10 pitcher in WAR only 3x in his 25 year career, never better than #5. Overall, Kaat's career 3.45 ERA converts to 8% better than league average. Even if we cherry pick Kaat's through his prime end in 1975, it's still only 13% better than league average. In my opinion, Jim Kaat is the very definition of an accumulator. A very long career of good, but rarely great, seasons getting him to 45 career WAR. It's also the reason I feel like 60 career WAR should be an automatic. No accumulator can possibly hit that accomplishment. Even 50 career WAR should be a near automatic. Here's a stunner for you. Brad Radke, just about the single most overlooked Twins player in history, has more career WAR than Jim Kaat.
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While it's great Suzuki doesn't have major platoon splits, Rocco Baldelli clearly doesn't care about actual results as much as theoretical results. Baldelli would platoon Babe Ruth and Kyle Garlick so Suzuki's plate appearance ceiling is probably 500ish with the Twins. Also, I like the idea of acquiring Suzuki, but the proposed trade is going nowhere. The Cubs are shedding salary, not taking on bad contracts. Paddack and Vazquez could be traded elsewhere, but like a recent article talked about, any big moves probably hinge on the Twins dumping salary before bringing on any talent. The Twins would need to clear $25MM+ off the books to bring Suzuki in. Not happening.
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Swanson's previous 3 seasons = 107 OPS+, previous 114 OPS+ Story's previous 3 seasons = 113 OPS+, previous 102 OPS+ Kim's previous 3 seasons = 103 OPS+, previous 96 OPS+ While Swanson and Story might have been viewed as slightly better than Kim, I don't think its enough to pull Kim below $100MM in total guaranteed value for a 5+ year deal, unless the shoulder is a huge concern and he opts for a 1yr deal at like $25-30MM similar to Correa's pillow contract with the Twins in 2022. It wouldn't surprise me to see a vesting option contract for Kim if a team wanted to get creative. Like 1 year $20MM deal with a team option for 5 more years at $100MM+ which is automatically vesting at 504+ plate appearances.
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Not sure this article can make the case Santana was robbed or that it didn't actually make the case that Ichiro was robbed.
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I do like good defense, and Kim should be a great defender at 2B, but with a slightly above league average bat, his ceiling is pretty low for like 3 WAR in my opinion. Where It takes 10 DRS to equal 30pts of OPS = 1 WAR. As you know, I do not like using DRS/OAA for a single season to judge performance as they're so unstable, but I think the signing make a lot more sense if the Twins pushed Correa to 3B and kept the superior fielder, Kim, at SS. Correa has an outstanding arm (still not as strong as Kim's), but his range is limited. Putting Correa at 3B makes use of his cannon arm while minimizing the impact of his limited speed. Correa will be a better 3B than SS, which will offset the 5 run adjustment. Also, I think people are surprisingly low on Kim's contract. Trevor Story got 6yrs $140MM with a defense first profile. Dansby Swanson got 7yrs and $177MM with a similar profile and age as Kim. Swanson was coming off a better season, but Story didn't have an impressive contract year. There is a huge concern with Kim in that he had labrum surgery his throwing shoulder. If his shoulder strength doesn't return, 2B might be a required positional change, but it would mask his loss of shoulder strength. I'm seeing this roster at 86-87 wins with the shifting of Kim back to SS. Better than current by a couple wins, but it needs a RHB for DH/OF somewhere in here which could elevate the roster to a 90 win team.
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Prielipp struck out 1.5 per inning in A+ ball Duran tore his UCL which is why he moved to the bullpen, though there was risk his 3 pitch repertoire wouldn't work as a starter.
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Sasaki is not signing with a team who has a front office in disarray where the people who sign him aren't likely to still be around in 10 months. Not to mention the Twins have a terrible track record of how they've treated Korean and Japanese players.
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goulik’s 2025 Payroll Blueprint: Goulik's Blueprint
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I'd say this is a 82-83 win roster in my opinion, which is about 1-2 wins worse than the current roster construction. Considering the Twins are over by $5-10MM currently, I think that's fair in a way. I don't see Falvey or ownership being on board with a $25MM bullpen, and without Castro, Miranda or Julien, depth is probably going to be a huge problem (not just a concern) in the infield and DH spots. Helman, Severino, and Keirsey are not prospects, they're MiLB roster filler in my opinion. Helman will be a 29 year old 8 year MiLB veteran with 10 career plate appearances in the big show who is being thrust into a role where they're going to see probably at least 300 plate appearances. Severino's been a league average hitter at AAA thanks to short bursts of performance. He was outrighted and no team in baseball bit on him. If Lee doesn't make a massive improvement at the plate, he's unplayable, which pushes a guy like Payton Eeles or Michael Helman into a starting 2B role. Keirsey will be 28 with an adequate performance at the plate in AAA, but his fielding isn't likely to be plus at the MLB level. I believe Keirsey is likely just a less speedy Andrew Stevenson. though as a backup CF, it's not a profile I'd expect to produce a ton of negative WAR at least. Career Andrew Stevenson MLB - .243/.316/.352 OPS .668 wRC+ 80, 8.0% BB, 27.4% K '23 AAA a29 Andrew Stevenson - .317/.394/.522 OPS .916 wRC+ 131, 8.9% BB, 20.6% K '24 AAA a27 DaShawn Keirsey - .300/.368/.476 OPS .845 wRC+ 119, 9.5% BB, 23.0% K Of course, Miranda, Julien and Castro are not bringing back peanuts so there's no reason to believe the Twins couldn't acquire their depth or honestly, starters, from those trades. Since they weren't included, I'm assuming the Twins are going for high ceiling / high risk in your scenario. -
thelanges5’s 2023 Payroll Blueprint: IA Twins for the Win
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Boyd was signed by the Cubs (and for a lot more than your estimate 1yr $10MM + $14MM option), but let's assume the Twins do something similar here. I'd expect this team to be a 91-92 win club. I'm coming up with $136MM total, plus Dobnak's $3MM at $139MM total. I don't think ownership goes for that, but if they were willing to open up the wallet, this is a team with solid depth, and a lot of high end performance potential. -
twinsfan91’s 2023 Payroll Blueprint: Sammyboy
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Yeah, I don't see this (or something similar since Severino signed with the A's) happening. Rooker would be LF, not utility and as noted, you have Julien at 2 spots. I've no idea what you had to give up to get Rooker, LOL. If this did happen, I'd say you built a 87-88 win roster. Pretty good shot at the playoffs. -
Seansy’s 2023 Payroll Blueprint: No payroll room = small moves
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Looks like about an 85 win team to me. I think that's pretty much exactly what FGDC predicts. -
Brett’s 2023 Payroll Blueprint: The Kids Are Alright
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It's not a terrible plan to put it in the hands of the existing young core, but I also don't think it's the best option the Twins have at extending their window. I'd project the roster at about 83 wins. I think you're being pretty optimistic Santana signs at $5MM since he's expected to get a better offer than that in general. I think he'll probably get $8MM. I'd also suspect he produces more like a 1 WAR season similar to his recent seasons than his unexpected 2024. While I think Julien at 2B will maximize his value, I don't think expecting him to bounce back to his xwOBA (probably an OPS .780 / wRC+ 115) from 2023 would be likely based on his inability to adapt to the scouting reports exposing his weaknesses. Paddack probably isn't a good starting pitcher in my opinion. I don't think he'd be anything better than a #5 guy on most playoff teams, and that's if he remains healthy (which he won't). I'm also not sure his stuff will play up much in the 'pen. He had some impressive K rates in 2023 in a SSSS, but the stuff doesn't really look much better. Paddack is a luxury, and the Twins do not have payroll for luxuries. The biggest problem I see with this roster is infield/outfield depth. If anything goes wrong or an unexpected injury crops up, it gets ugly quick, and there's a high degree of likelihood multiple players of the Martin/Keirsey/Julien/Lee group aren't up to the task of regular playing time. -
I think you're putting the cart before the horse, here. The entire premise of this article is the Twins need to shed salary before they have any options. I'm inclined to agree with the idea ownership has the wallet locked down hard for the front office at the moment. If Falvey wants any ability to significantly explore the free agent market at any time during the offseason, $15-20MM is going to need to come off the books beforehand. Carlos Correa, Pablo Lopez, Byron Buxton, Christian Vazquez, Chris Paddack, Willi Castro. Those are the only legitimate places where the Twins can shed any meaningful salary, and there are serious handicaps on moving most of them. Like a free agent who missed out last year, the Twins should be in a (shed salary) sign early mode like Blake Snell was. If the Twins take the good 'ol tried and false Falvey method of wait it out looking for deals, the Twins will be unable to shed significant salary as teams will already be at their budget max or have their roster set. We've seen this exact scenario play out with Polanco in specific. It was late in the offseason, and the Twins were in a pretty desperate situation to shed salary, and as a result, they got a bad package back with minimal cost savings for the infielder.
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Rooker, Steer, Encarnacion-Strand, Gipson-Long, Petty, Miller, Hajjar, Povich, Wade, Baddoo, Wells... The Twins have cast off a lot of young talent through trades or failing to protect players. In particular, they traded all 5 selections they made in the first 4 rounds in 2021.
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The Athletics have been saying they're building since the beginning of last year. It follows their small market rebuild pattern. 3-4 years of not making the playoffs followed by 3 years of open window.
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