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bean5302's 2024-2025 Twins Offseason Plan


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The first step in any offseason plan is identifying the needs and the wants for the organization. The only real needs are a payroll of $130MM or less, and a full 26 man roster with 13 or more position players to meet MLB rules. While ownership is on record saying they don’t expect to cut payroll further or that they expect payroll to remain similar, Falvey is also on more recent record making it about as clear as he possibly could last year’s $130MM mark the Twins opened with is the ceiling. “Similar” means close to, but definitely not over. Say $125-130MM? This means salary relief is an absolute need since the Twins are already about $140MM with the guys they control.

Onto the critical “wants” which somebody might expect to have a major impact on team performance. It’s similar to last year, but unlike 2023-2024’s offseason, that 2nd top of the rotation pitcher isn’t even worth talking about.
1. Center Fielder – Buxton cannot be the only potential everyday center fielder on the roster.
2. Infielder(s) – Carlos Santana’s a free agent, and the Twins got nothing from 2B last year.

On to the major holes the Twins would be wise to address.
3. Designated Hitter – The Twins have precious few options to fill in a DH role.
4. Lefty Reliever – Thielbar’s on the way out and Funderburk looked rough.
5. Catcher – It’d be nice if the Twins had a catcher who could both hit the ball and field.

Anything else feels like it’d be a pipe dream to hope for as the Twins are going to be limited in free agency, and I feel the Pohlads must have locked the prospect pipeline down based on recent season moves/non-moves by the front office. The only way the Twins open things up in free agency is if they move Correa, and I don’t see that as a likely scenario at all. It’s time to get real “creative” as Falvey will need to do.

Non-tender Kyle Farmer and Manuel Margot. Those already happened, and they were no doubters anyway. Kepler and Santana are free agents and off the books. Even so, we’re still starting over the payroll limit with team controlled players by about $10MM at $140MMish.

Step 1) The Twins agree with the Mariners to trade Trevor Larnach and sign/trade Justin Topa back to Seattle for Victor Robles. Robles signed a team friendly 2 year contract with a club option with the Mariners, and Robles has made it look like a great move. Robles had a great season with Seattle to build on his 2023 in Washington, which is pretty unexpected given Robles’ rough track record. The expected values at the plate throw a healthy dose of water onto the real .307/.381/.433 OPS .814 wRC+ 141 results from the 27 year old, but by expected metrics, he was still an above average hitter. Think .260/.340/.400 OPS .740 wRC+ 120ish. Not too far above Larnach’s numbers, but Robles is a righty who can cover center field, though he's a bit stretched there. Btw, just you try to find a right handed outfielder who isn’t a black hole at the plate or in the field in MLB these days. So why would the Mariners make this move? Unlike the Twins, the Mariners could really benefit from an extra lefty bat without sacrificing years of control. Also, it’s bad news for them to rely upon players who hit all home runs in Seattle’s cavernous stadium (see Garver, Mitch).  Larnach’s a lefty bat who has a nice line drive output swing the Mariners could really use, Larnach is a bit cheaper. On the Topa side, Seattle’s bullpen is in disarray this offseason. The inclusion of Topa balances out Robles’ value, and Seattle is obviously comfortable with the pitcher as Topa has history there including a really solid 2023. Viewing this transaction from BaseballTradeValues perspective Larnach +14.5 & Topa +9.8 (don’t ask me, man) 24.3 total offset Robles’ 22.2 nicely. Topa’s easily exchangeable with other middle value bullpen options so he’s just a name/value to make sense.

Step 2) The Twins re-sign Willi Castro. You can debate what position you want Castro to play, but with a legitimate potential CF on the roster, Castro can hopefully focus on the infield slots. Lee was worse than rough at the plate. The .221/.265/.320 OPS .585 wRC+ 62 performance made Christian Vazquez look solid, and with all the flak he took, Julien’s .199/.292/.323 OPS .616 wRC+ 80 performance enjoyed advantages in both a substantial advantage in OBP and even a little SLG over Lee. Neither Lee nor Julien can be relied upon as an everyday infielder in 2025 based on how they played. Willi Castro’s presence makes a massive change to the injury protection depth, and the baseline of the infield’s expected performance.

Step 3) So we’ve added about $7MM to the salary so far. Seems fine… and here’s where the Twins double that! The Twins really could use a legitimate DH, and J.D. Martinez is aging, but he still ripped off a lot of high exit velocities last year. His .235/.320/.406 OPS .725 wRC+ 108 season belied his luck, and that gets the 37 year old slugger down into the $7MM one year contract range which some creative rostering can handle. His xwOBA was nearly 40pts above his actual performance which says he should have hit .260/.355/.485 OPS .840ish wRC+ 130 or so, and traditionally, Martinez has been pretty close in expected/actual numbers. Not quite the elite prime bat he was, but still highly valuable. Martinez would add that right-handed power bat the Twins have really been missing since Cruz’s departure.

Step 4) Okay, so we’re wayyyyyy over budget now. Great! Time to clear some space and take care of the catcher position where the Twins desperately need a long term solution, not just a band-aid. How will the Twins afford this one? Pablo Lopez. We can’t give up a top end starter though! The much loved starter and ace of the team’s $22MM contract isn’t as crippling as Correa’s, but it’s exceptionally easy to move. Lopez is viewed as a front-end starter by many teams and analysts across the sport, and he comes with 3 years of team friendly team control. Baseballtradevalues says +37.4, and that’s big-time value which can move some scales. But it’s not like the Twins can cast off their best pitcher and expect to be competitive. Enter the Diamondbacks. I talked about this trade already. Zac Gallen is their franchise pitcher just like Lopez is for the Twins, but Gallen is on borrowed time. He’s gone at the end of the year, and this close to free agency with the RSN issue in full force for the Diamondbacks, they just aren’t going to be able to get to that 7yrs+ $200MM+ contract extension to keep Gallen from free agency. Arizona is in the middle of their competitive window, and they can’t afford to have it wiped out so soon. In case you're not familiar with Gallen, he'll be in his age 29 season next year and has a career 3.24 ERA, 3.45 FIP. He's a consistent 4-5 WAR legitimate universally accepted ace. He lost a bunch of time with a strained hammy last year, but has been otherwise very durable. Lopez keeps their window open for 2 more years than Gallen would, and at a price point where AZ can still put food on the table. The Twins have starter prospects, and maybe some more money soon with an owner change. The Diamondbacks have neither so they’re really in a tough spot for future rotation options. Those extra 2 years of team control for Lopez make all the difference and get the Twins a solid, young, cost-controlled catcher named Gabriel Moreno. Moreno is a high on base, high contact rate hitter with a little pop who will only be 25 next year. A career .280/.347/.393 OPS .740 wRC+ 105 hitter, Moreno put together a solid .266/.353/.380 OPS .734 wRC+ 107 line again last year. On top of that, Moreno provides solid defense catching about 30% of base runners, and posting neutral framing numbers (if you believe in that stat). DRS has Morneo at +32, and FRV at +13. BaseballSavant had Moreno at or above average across the board defensively last year with 51 block, stealing 79, framing 74, and a fast pop time. The pre-arb catcher will be entering his prime as a shield against potential decline as well. The Diamondbacks already have catching depth with legit potential plus catching prospect Adrian Del Castillo split between MLB/AAA last year. The Twins save $7MM in this transaction. As far as BaseballTradeValues views it? Lopez +37.4 offsets Gallen +19.5 & Moreno 16.6 (total 36.1).


Step 5) Now that we have a solid 1-2 punch at catcher, Vazquez becomes a piece the Twins can legitimately look at trading, but they’re not going to be able to offload his entire $10MM contract. The Tampa Bay Rays need a catcher, and they’re going to be looking for a defensively minded, right-handed option to pair with Ben Rortvedt, but on the cheap. The Twins need a lefty bullpen arm with some potential. Let’s make a deal. The Twins send Vazquez and $5MM to the always frugal Tampa Bay Rays who return lefty relief fireballer Mason Montgomery. Montgomery struggled with walks in AAA, but the reliever prospect earned a call up in September at age 24. Montgomery can touch triple digits, but he sits at 97-98mph with his fastball and 88-89mph with the potential wipeout slider. Montgomery is just a 2 pitch guy who gives up a lot of fly balls, and movement isn’t special on either, but the velo makes his stuff dangerous and Stuff+ grades the FB at 150 (75ish grade) and the slider at 110 (55ish grade) in limited sample data. His velo is offset by the limited pitch options and control issues. Still, he’s got potential, and he’s left-handed so that’s why the Twins eat the $5MM. BaseballTradeValues isn’t seemingly great with unknown/mid/low level prospects or catchers. I think Vazquez is worth a little more than BTV does at Vazquez -7.8 + 5.0, and I’d think Montgomery is worth a bit more than his 2.4. I think it’s fair.

Step 6) Remember that payroll “need” thing? We’re still not there yet. Chris Paddack isn’t going to be moved anywhere at full price, but for a good deal, Paddack would be valuable to a team needing rotation depth, especially early in the season. The Twins eat $3MM of Paddack’s salary getting him down to $4.5MM to box him up for shipment. With the Baltimore Orioles hoping to get a couple starters back during the year, Paddack is great early year insurance at a price that doesn’t hurt their other pursuits. In return, the Twins beg for scraps and get righty reliever Colin Selby. Colin Selby will be 27 next year so he’s not a real “prospect,” but Baltimore did call him up towards the end of the year, including a game against the Twins. He appears to have added a 4 seamer to his sinker/slider/curve options this past year, though the 4 seamer grades out poorly in Stuff+. Fastball 80 (40ish grade), Sinker 120 (60ish grade), Slider 141 (70ish grade), Curve 144 (70ish grade). His velo can touch 97, but it’s inconsistent ranging from 93-97 whereas the breaking stuff is more reliable with the Slider at 87-89 and the curve at 82-84. While the stuff is there, the control is not, and Selby struggles to locate his pitches. Selby’s had some success at AAA, but he also gave up a lot of homers and tons of walks thanks to those control issues. Feels a lot like Sim... Maybe the Twins can address the issues a little? He’s only got 1 option left, but it feels like the righty is solid bullpen depth at least. BaseballTradeValues thinks Paddack is -1.6 + 3.0 vs. the Selby at 1.4 at the beginning of 2024. I don’t have a subscription, and nobody’s proposing trades for him, so I can’t tell you for sure what it is today… except, low.

All said and done, here’s how the roster construction looks now.

Salary $MM Position First Last Control Options Arb Status
0.8 C Gabriel Moreno 4yrs 0 Pre-Arb
0.8 1B Jose Miranda 4yrs 0 Pre-Arb
6.2 2B Willi Castro 1yr 0 Arb 3
37.0 SS Carlos Correa 8yrs 0 N/A
2.3 3B Royce Lewis 4yrs 2 Arb 1
4.8 LF Victor Robles 2yrs 0 N/A
15.0 CF Byron Buxton 4yrs 0 N/A
0.8 RF Matt Wallner 5yrs 1 Pre-Arb
7.0 DH J.D. Martinez 1yr 0 N/A
4.7 BC Ryan Jeffers 2yrs 1 Arb 2
0.8 Util Eddie Julien 5yrs 1 Pre-Arb
0.8 UO Austin Martin 6yrs 2 Pre-Arb
0.8 UI Brooks Lee 6yrs 3 Pre-Arb
             
14.0 SP1 Zac Gallen 1yr 0 N/A
3.8 SP2 Joe Ryan 3yrs 3 Arb 1
4.3 SP3 Bailey Ober 3yrs 1 Arb 1
0.8 SP4 David Festa 6yrs 3 Pre-Arb
0.8 SP5 Simeon WR 6yrs 1 Pre-Arb
             
3.7 RP1 Jhoan Duran 3yrs 1 Arb 1
2.6 RP2 Griffin Jax 3yrs 2 Arb 1
1.5 RP3 Jorge Alcala 1yr 2 Arb 2
0.8 RP4 Cole Sands 4yrs 1 Pre-Arb
1.0 RP5 Brock Stewart 3yrs 0 Arb 1
0.8 RP6 Mason Montgomery 6yrs 3 Pre-Arb
1.5 RP7 Michael Tonkin 2yrs 0 Arb 2
0.8 RP8 Ronny Henriquez 6yrs 0 Pre-Arb
118.2 Subtotal (Active Roster Payroll)
             
3.0 Dead Money Randy Dobnak 1yr 0 N/A
0.3 Dead Money Kyle Farmer N/A N/A N/A
5.0 Retained Christian  Vazquez N/A N/A N/A
3.0 Retained Chris Paddack N/A N/A N/A
11.3 Subtotal (Non-Roster Payroll)
129.5 Total Payroll

Obviously, I like the overall package since I'm the one who dreamed it up. I like the depth in case anything goes sideways with the outfield or infield, and I think we've got plenty of mid/back rotation ready depth at AAA, though grabbing a veteran on a MiLB contract wouldn't be a bad idea. The rotation should be very strong with Gallen at the front, and hopefully Festa can figure out that curveball he's trying to add to his repertoire as it could potentially turn him into an upper rotation threat, and at least avoid a Sophomore Slump. Defense in the outfield will be better than last year with Robles being a significant upgrade vs. Margot, and depending on how Martin performs, there's potential for Keirsey to be called up since Robles isn't a lefty. Since Baldelli prefers to use Castro as a utility guy, there's plenty of opportunity to move him around provided Julien or Lee get on track. The bullpen is a little more difficult. Tonkin I'm keeping since he's been durable, serviceable and cheap, but his improvements last year gave him some new upside. Henriquez is out of options, and he might be more than the sum of his parts so to speak so I have him on the 26 man over Varland. Montgomery gets the nod over Funderburk. We've got solid (theoretical) depth again in the reliever world with Canterino, Selby, Funderburk, and Varland. That said, there are going to be injuries so it's not like the roster won't shift around. I like this team to win over 90 games, and provided there's even a little luck on health, it could be be a real World Series potential threat. The toughest part of this projection is after 2025, the Twins might find themselves in an even tougher position payroll/needs wise.

As for the outgoing guys, if you want to keep track:

Retained Salary Position / Departing Player / Reason
5.0 C Christian Vazquez Trade
0.0 1B Carlos Santana Free Agent
0.0 1B/DH Alex Kirilloff Retired
0.0 LF Trevor  Larnach Trade
0.0 RF Max Kepler Free Agent
0.0 UO Manuel Margot Decline $12MM Opt
0.3 UI Kyle Farmer Decline $6MM Opt
0.0 SP Pablo Lopez Trade
3.0 SP Chris Paddack Trade
0.0 SP Anthony Desclafani Free Agent
0.0 RP Justin Topa Trade
0.0 RP Caleb Thielbar Free Agent


Onto the 40 man plan. Probably less interesting to some folks. The Twins have already outrighted Josh Winder, Yunior Severino, Randy Dobnak, Scott Blewett, and Daniel Duarte. They all cleared waivers, but I believe they’re all technically Rule 5 eligible now.

I’d also outright Brent Headrick to clear 40 man space while keeping all other existing 40 man roster players. Headrick is a lefty, but his track record is awfully weak. Add in the injury history, and I just don’t think he’s necessary to protect. I’d add Richardo Olivar, Kala’i Rosario, Christian MacLeod, Travis Adams, and the acquisition from Baltimore, Colin Selby so that sets the additional 14 members of the 40 man roster as:

40 Man Roster Position First Name Last Name Control Options Level
Add C Ricardo Olivar 6yrs 3 AA
Keep C Jair Camargo 6yrs 2 AAA
Keep OF Emmanuel Rodriguez 6yrs 2 AAA
Keep OF DaShawn Keirsey 6yrs 3 AAA
Keep OF Michael Helman 6yrs 3 AAA
Add OF Kala'i Rosario 6yrs 3 AA
Keep SP Zebby Matthews 6yrs 3 AAA
Add SP Marco Raya 6yrs 3 AAA
Add SP Christian MacLeod 6yrs 3 AAA
Add SP Travis Adams 6yrs 3 AAA
Keep RP Louie Varland 5yrs 1 AAA
Keep RP Matt Canterino 6yrs 1 AAA
From Baltimore RP Colin Selby 6yrs 2 AAA
Keep RP Kody Funderburk 6yrs 3 AAA

As for the outgoing space clearing on the 40 man, here is this group. I do think there' a good chance Winder is going to be grabbed if he's rule 5 eligible (I don't understand any potential intricacy), but I don't think anybody else is at risk.

Outright/Non Position First Name Last Name Status Options Rule 5 Status
Done RP Josh Winder Cleared 0 Eligible
Done 1B Junior Severino Cleared 0 Eligible
Done RP Scott Blewett Cleared 0 Eligible
Done RP Daniel Duarte Cleared 1 Eligible
Done RP Randy Dobnak Cleared 0 Eligible
Yes SP Brent Headrick   1 Eligible

 

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tony&rodney

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If Arizona accepts, I take that trade. I'm not sending off Moreno if I'm the D-Backs GM though. I hope you are correct.

Seattle is not likely to trade Robles after they gave him a contract. I like the idea.

I still can't see an infield of Miranda, Castro, and Lewis in those positions, thinking about the pitchers. To be fair, it is almost certain that zero people will agree on a Twins roster for this coming year. 

I like the general ideas here but am a little stubborn about insisting on better defense. That is just my preference though.

Mahoning

Posted

It's an attractive pipe dream, though Miranda at first would have a chance to be a giant step down from Santana. And now that the Twins have announced a new GM, everything is up in the air. Jeremy Zoll was reportedly the lead negotiator in the Polanco trade, a complete dud, and the Sonny Gray trade, which cost some really good players. So I guess he is not afraid to deal. They might as well deal if they can. Maybe they could find someone -- Robles? JD Martinez? -- who plays 150 games and hits the whole season through. 

JD-TWINS

Posted

Very interesting thoughts - some look really good!

So, I’m not a huge proponent of trading Lopez but I’m going to yield to that idea since a catcher is of great need………I think AZ is in too much of a win now mode so I have a twist on the trade with D-Backs. I’d do Lopez for Moreno & save another $4M and take Jordan Montgomery off their hands, offering to cover $10M of his salary. They keep Gallen for their playoff push & I think the D-Back’s owner would absolutely say yes but GM may balk? Montgomery would be energized and no longer be in purgatory.

I would not sign Martinez at DH since I think that will be a line-up spot of need for Lewis - Miranda - CC - Buxton - Larnach throughout the year. IF Julien can hit a bit, he may get some AB’s there too.

Castro as the initial 2B in April is a fallback if Julien & Lee are both inept at the plate and Keaschall isn’t ready yet. I’m hopeful that between these 4 guys 2B output goes up through the year.

I keep Topa & Larnach & Paddack and use Castro and Martin & Keirsey for CF depth.

I would keep Vazquez. I would hesitate on signing Santana and opt for following trade.

Jeffers & Duran (C. Lewis or AA arm if needed) to Red Sox for Tristan Casas at 1B. Jax becomes closer and can make desired $$ in years to come and forgets about starting again or at least represses the thought.

Lewis - CC -  Keaschall by June - Casas.

Miranda - Keirsey or Martin - Castro  - Lee - Vazquez on bench.

Moreno at Catcher 55% of time.

Larnach - Buxton - Wallner

Pen has: Topa - Sands - Alcala - Varland - Paddack - Henriquez - Stewart - Jax ………Raya in September……..Moran - Headrick - Funderburk - Blewett are all potential depth pieces. 

Ober - Ryan - Festa - Montgomery - SWR in rotation. Morris & Raya as next guys up.

Starting with your $129.5M salary for ‘25 ……I save $3.5M in LF - $4M in rotation - $6.2M on DH

I spend $1.3M more on Catcher trading Jeffers and retaining Vazquez - I spend $6.2M more retaining Paddack for relief role.

Big trade for Montgomery as well as Casas……this may be all that’s feasible in one off-season? ……..I think this leaves an additional $6.2M to spend as well………Maybe Zebby Matthews to Red Sox instead of Duran & we trade Duran to Brewers for Devin Williams. Milwaukee picks up 2 more years of control……..Twins get Williams and a bridge to the next ownership group…….maintaining a very solid Pen for ‘25!……….My budget may be an extra $1 - $2 M?

Upgrade at Catcher per your idea. Upgrade at 1B. Reality, IMO, at DH. Drop-off in rotation talent……maybe not in results? Pen seems good to me…. Topa for Tonkin. OF is status quo with Keirsey/Martin/Castro handling the depth needs.

bean5302

Posted

46 minutes ago, Mahoning said:

It's an attractive pipe dream, though Miranda at first would have a chance to be a giant step down from Santana. And now that the Twins have announced a new GM, everything is up in the air. Jeremy Zoll was reportedly the lead negotiator in the Polanco trade, a complete dud, and the Sonny Gray trade, which cost some really good players. So I guess he is not afraid to deal. They might as well deal if they can. Maybe they could find someone -- Robles? JD Martinez? -- who plays 150 games and hits the whole season through. 

Even if Zoll was the lead negotiator, the issue was Falvey waiting too long to start pushing the trade. Sonny Gray's (+Francis Peguero) trade was Chase Petty. You're thinking of the Tyler Mahle acquisition, I suspect. Mahle cost Spencer Steer, Christian Encarnation-Strand and Steve Hajjar.

There is no way Falvey (or Levine) didn't give Zoll guidelines and ranges of values and approve the final deals.

Counting on any player to put in 150 games under Rocco "Platoonasaurus" Baldelli is stretching it. 

bean5302

Posted

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

...So, I’m not a huge proponent of trading Lopez but I’m going to yield to that idea since a catcher is of great need………I think AZ is in too much of a win now mode so I have a twist on the trade with D-Backs. I’d do Lopez for Moreno & save another $4M and take Jordan Montgomery off their hands, offering to cover $10M of his salary. They keep Gallen for their playoff push & I think the D-Back’s owner would absolutely say yes but GM may balk?...

While I think Gallen is the better of the two pitchers in any given year based on steady results, from an league perspective, I don't think the two pitchers are viewed substantially different. Over the past two years, Gallen's at 8.0 fWAR while Lopez is at 7.8 fWAR. In addition, Lopez owns superior velocity, K rates, and walk rates with some blame for the higher ERA owned by Lopez going to poor defense from the Twins. I do think Lopez's ceiling is probably viewed as higher, though again, expectations of middle of the road giving Gallen the edge. The premise behind the Gallen for Lopez trade on AZ's behalf is they stay the same while absorbing a relatively low amount of payroll and for that, they get to massively extend their window. The Twins use the payroll to improve their 2025 team at the risk of their window closing sooner.

When it comes to Montgomery, I think their GM would do a happy dance. It wasn't just the results which dropped for Monty, he also lost velocity which impacted the quality of his stuff. Montgomery was also no longer locating his pitches as well, and hitters didn't chase as much. I would expect a location bounce-back, but the stuff, probably not as much. Projections expect Montgomery to be a 2 WAR full season pitcher while Lopez is projected at 4 WAR. Losing 2 WAR from a single rotation spot is a big impact, and the swing from absorbing $10MM of additional salary would mean cutting bait on Castro and Martinez in my model above. Overall, probably a loss of 6 wins in 2025. At that point, the Twins would be better off rebuilding entirely, IMO.

tarheeltwinsfan

Posted

I respectfully vote "No" to trading Lopez.  What does it say about the Twins that the Twins must pay partial salaries to trade away players?  

bean5302

Posted

1 hour ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

I respectfully vote "No" to trading Lopez.  What does it say about the Twins that the Twins must pay partial salaries to trade away players?  

I can understand why people don't want to trade Lopez, but I just did a middle of the road projection of the Twins standing pat in the winning foundation topic. 85 wins if the Twins stand pat with their current payroll cap $130MM and returning as many guys as they can (linked below). That was actually super close to where Fangraph's team model landed (.520% or like 84 wins). The roster I assembled above I'd project at 94 wins for the same price.

The Twins have serious payroll restrictions, and the money to improve the roster has to come from someplace if the team has a serious expectation of making the playoffs. The Tigers (projected 81-81) have at least $50MM in payroll capacity to improve their roster. The Royals (projected at 83-79) have at least $20MM to spend. Both of those teams project to be better than the Twins by the end of FA without Minnesota making moves to improve. The other way to improve is to trade elite prospects like Walker Jenkins or Emmanuel Rodriguez, but the right trade scenario can be very difficult to find when you're talking about dumping that much prospect capital, and I don't think the Twins will make those moves.

In regard to the message eating salary sends, it's one of probably 3 things.  1) Maybe the Twins want a better return for their player so they're willing to eat some contract. 2) The trade partner they're trading to doesn't have payroll capacity to add or 3) The Twins missed the mark on evaluating the talent a player had when they put the contracts on the books. Tons of teams are using the RSN collapse as an explanation to drop salary so finding willing trade partners willing to take on significant costs is going to be more difficult this season.

 

Doctor Gast

Posted

IMO, the main proponent to make this work is Moreno. If we get Moreno then we can sanely trade away Vazquez's salary. But honestly, what makes you think that AZ is open to trade him? Moreno is hurt, but why would AZ trade low on him unless there is something seriously wrong with him? Then maybe he's not the answer. I like how you trimmed the fat & I'd like to trade away Jeffers for a more economical backup. The money we save we can use to extend our key players to help keep our window open longer. I'd also keep Lopez over Gallen because under this concept of keeping the core together. If you trade one essential part of the core, IMO if we do that I'd blow the whole thing up & hope BOS is willing to trade Keal & Mayers.

bean5302

Posted

4 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

IMO, the main proponent to make this work is Moreno. If we get Moreno then we can sanely trade away Vazquez's salary. But honestly, what makes you think that AZ is open to trade him? Moreno is hurt, but why would AZ trade low on him unless there is something seriously wrong with him? Then maybe he's not the answer. I like how you trimmed the fat & I'd like to trade away Jeffers for a more economical backup. The money we save we can use to extend our key players to help keep our window open longer. I'd also keep Lopez over Gallen because under this concept of keeping the core together. If you trade one essential part of the core, IMO if we do that I'd blow the whole thing up & hope BOS is willing to trade Keal & Mayers.

That's not trading low. Pablo Lopez is the most desirable and rare commodity in all of baseball. A front end starter. 2 extra years of team friendly AAV top of the rotation arm is absolute gold. You might personally love Moreno, and I do think he's very solid, but he's not a superstar like J.T. Realmuto was at this point. Moreno isn't hurt to the best of my knowledge.

If you want an ace for multiple years on a team friendly contract (and the Diamondbacks really, really do), you have to pay. 

Schmoeman5

Posted

On 11/15/2024 at 9:29 AM, bean5302 said:

That's not trading low. Pablo Lopez is the most desirable and rare commodity in all of baseball. A front end starter. 2 extra years of team friendly AAV top of the rotation arm is absolute gold. You might personally love Moreno, and I do think he's very solid, but he's not a superstar like J.T. Realmuto was at this point. Moreno isn't hurt to the best of my knowledge.

If you want an ace for multiple years on a team friendly contract (and the Diamondbacks really, really do), you have to pay. 

Suddenly Pablo is an ace in your scenario.  😄 

tony&rodney

Posted

Curious if you read anything that suggests that Arizona would trade Moreno or that Seattle would trade Robles? The D-backs are fighting money woes, which means taking on Lopez seems iffy. Seattle dumped Topa already for obvious reasons, health. I'm also wondering why the Mariners want a DH? 

The plans written this offseason face stiff challenges. I still cannot figure out 2B, but would move Lewis to 1B in hopes he can pick it up adequately. I like your plan ideas but cannot imagine those trades going through or that the Twins can continue to roll with poor infield defense.

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