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    May Day is Coming for the Twins


    Ted Schwerzler

    The Minnesota Twins are anxiously awaiting a couple of reinforcements for their big league club. Jason Castro is not coming back, and Jorge Polanco remains out for some time. Trevor May’s return is quickly approaching however, and Ervin Santana shouldn’t be far behind him. When focusing on the righty venturing back from Tommy John surgery, it’s worth taking a look to see where he fits.

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    At this point, May has made two rehab starts in the Twins organization. His first came for Fort Myers and he went 3.0 IP allowing no runs on one hit, three walks and five strikeouts. He then made the jump up to Triple-A Rochester and tossed 4.0 IP allowing one run on three hits while walking two and striking out five. The strikeouts are an encouraging tally, while the walks highlight some lack of control as he settles back onto the mound.

    Regardless of the numerical results, what we do know is that May has made two starts in which he’s thrown 58 and 60 pitches respectively. He’s being stretched out to start, but the lack of growth between outings suggests that Minnesota is OK with drawing out the process some. Currently on the 60 day DL, May is first eligible for activation on May 28.

    Rochester is currently scheduled to play 11 games from now until May 28. With that schedule in mind, the Twins hurler should get two more turns in the rotation prior to his opportunity to be activated. I find it somewhat interesting that the pitch count wasn’t increased a bit further in his start for Rochester, but that number will be one worth monitoring in his next couple of outings.

    Going forward, there’s a collision course with a decision that Minnesota will need to make. Once May is eligible to be activated, where does he go?

    My first thought, and I think the one that suits him best, is to immediately take over for Phil Hughes in the bullpen. Hughes is holding down a spot that’s been virtually used to waive the white flag in games, and has all but reduced the Twins usable relievers by one. Allowing May to go multiple innings keeps him primed for a spot start if necessary, and he provides a significant upgrade to a bullpen that could use some added length.

    Used exclusively as a reliever for the Twins in 2016, May posted a career best 95 mph average velocity on his fastball. That’s over a full mph faster than he was able to register as a starter. The 8.7 K/9 average over his first two seasons also took a big jump to 12.7 as a reliever in 2016. Command and control have both evaded May at times, and his 3.6 BB/9 during his last full season with the Twins would be less than ideal out of the rotation.

    Over the course of his career thus far, we haven’t seen anything that screams May needs to be written into the rotation with a pen. The stuff is good, but it’s also been underwhelming at times. That being said, he has also been victimized as a product of his environment. Despite a career 5.14 ERA, he’s posted a 3.71 FIP across 203.0 IP. May generates ground balls just over one-third of the time, and he gives up hard contact less than that amount. Either way, it’s a formula that should work just fine in front of a much improved Twins defense.

    Sometime in July, the Twins will be tasked with adding Ervin Santana back into the fold as well. It’s at that point that I think juggling the rotation makes more sense. While Lance Lynn has been nothing short of a train wreck, it’s pretty difficult to cast aside a career 3.53 ERA and 8.5 K/9 because of eight starts in a new uniform. Minnesota is going to pull out all of the stops to get that figured out, but putting May in that spot doesn’t jump off the page as being the right answer.

    I don’t have a problem with Minnesota keeping Trevor May on a starting track through his recovery. Yes, it likely increases the time frame, but it also gives both the pitcher and the ball club options going forward. Without any certainties as to what type of pitcher he’s going to be in the short term (and really still feeling out his long term abilities), allowing Trevor to fire bullets in brief bursts seems like a smart decision.

    At the end of the day, the Twins pitching depth will grow even a bit more in the coming weeks, and that’s something that all involved have to be excited about. Trevor May is going to be welcomed back with open arms; it just shouldn’t be assumed that his place will be in the rotation.

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    Lynn’s 7.0 BB per 9 IP is less than ideal for the rotation as well.

    Only 8 starts? That’s 1/4 of the season.

    A lot of people like to use the NFL season analogy. If your QB had 3 interceptions per game for the first 4 weeks, he would no longer be your QB.

    If the Twins had put a league average starter in those turns, they would probably have a couple more wins. Of course, there is no evidence such a starter was available, but that is on Falvine.

    I am not sure 8 previous starts is predictive of the next 8 starts. If they were and it was reasonable to expect the same walk rate going forward then he should be removed from the rotation.

     

    It might also be reasonable to expect the walk rate to return to previous norms.

     

    I hope he has a good June and July so they can flip him at the deadline.

    I am not sure 8 previous starts is predictive of the next 8 starts. If they were and it was reasonable to expect the same walk rate going forward then he should be removed from the rotation.

     

    It might also be reasonable to expect the walk rate to return to previous norms.

     

    I hope he has a good June and July so they can flip him at the deadline.

    Lynn’s career walk rate is 3.5 per 9. Is that somehow less of a concern than May’s 3.6?

     

    If Lynn is still throwing walking practice when May is ready, Trevor should absolutely replace him.

     

    I don’t have any data, but I’ll bet someone a lot smarter than me can look it up. How likelly is it that Lynn’s approach was getting National League hitters to swing at pitches that AL hitters, more patient by virtue of the DH, aren’t? It certainly shouldn’t account for a doubling of his walk rate, but I bet it’s a factor.

     

    The Twins need to find out if Trevor May is part of this team’s future. And if so, in what role. As far as I am concerned, this is a lost season. Too many players underperforming or (like Sano, Polanco, et al) not performing at all. Time to move on IMO. Yes, I am aware if the standings. I’m also aware that third place in a division where the leader is sub .500 means your team is bad and your division stinks.

     

    Do you think the Twins are ready to cut bait on Hughes and his salary?

    We can only hope.........

    Regarding May, I don't have a strong opinion on whether he should start or be in the pen, but there is no question in my mind that he should take the roster spot currently being wasted on Hughes.

    It makes perfect sense to keep May in the bullpen for the sake of having a multi-inning guy down there. 

     

    Starters shouldn't be allowed to face the lineup for the third time, so it is necessary to keep multi-inning guys down there.

     

    The more effective innings you can get from your bullpen, the less you have to expose your starting rotation, so I like the idea of keeping May down there for insulation. 

    Lynn’s career walk rate is 3.5 per 9. Is that somehow less of a concern than May’s 3.6?

    If Lynn is still throwing walking practice when May is ready, Trevor should absolutely replace him.

    I don’t have any data, but I’ll bet someone a lot smarter than me can look it up. How likelly is it that Lynn’s approach was getting National League hitters to swing at pitches that AL hitters, more patient by virtue of the DH, aren’t? It certainly shouldn’t account for a doubling of his walk rate, but I bet it’s a factor.

    The Twins need to find out if Trevor May is part of this team’s future. And if so, in what role. As far as I am concerned, this is a lost season. Too many players underperforming or (like Sano, Polanco, et al) not performing at all. Time to move on IMO. Yes, I am aware if the standings. I’m also aware that third place in a division where the leader is sub .500 means your team is bad and your division stinks.

    Yes. I keep pitching Lynn. I count on his walk rate to return to his career norm prior to this season and I trade him in July. I start May in AAA with his last option and I ease his workload up. He hasn’t been a starter since June of 2015. The time in AAA will be valuable and it will be much easier to adjust his workload and give him any needed extra rest at that level.

     

    I think we do agree that this roster is not one that can compete with the best of the AL. My plan would be to try to squeeze out the most value I can from the players who will be free agents. It is reasonable that Lynn will perform over his next 8 starts near his career norms. If that happens, the Twins will find a trade partner. The previous 8 starts aren’t a great predictor of the next 8 starts particularly when those previous 8 are not inline with career norms.

    And, as someone posted last week, there is also the impending return and Minnesota debut of Michael Pineda sometime this summer. Hope that Santana gets to the mound before that time, but who knows at this point. Like the decision with Trevor May, will the Twins stick Pineda in the bullpen to start with, or give him some starts?

     

    Nothing wrong with your logic here but have to bring up 2 points:

    2] He had back issues when pitching out of the pen in 2016, and that has been at least partially attributed to the workload and routine change from being a reliever.

    In talking with him, May has suggested that the back issues were something less related to relieving as they were to an actual injury he has since targeted and believes is behind him.

     

    In talking with him, May has suggested that the back issues were something less related to relieving as they were to an actual injury he has since targeted and believes is behind him.

    If this is the case, put May in the pen and cut Hughes.  I know this is painful moneywise, but the division can be taken if we can put on a hot streak.  

    Other side of the coin, if this club continues to not preform, trade everything that is not part of the future in June and July.  You have 1 1/2 months to figure this out.

    I think you let May try to have success as a starter before trying him in the pen. Starters are far more valuable and it is a lot easier to go from being a starter to a reliever than vice versa during the season.

     

    As for “no open spot”, maybe talk to Lance Lynn about that.

     

    I keep seeing “he will normalize”. Based on what evidence? He’s not throwing strikes. It’s been a problem since day 1. Whatever adjustments he is trying to make or whatever fixes the coaching staff has tried obviously aren’t helping. At what point is it time to acknowledge that maybe this is who he is now?

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    The Twins could use a power bullpen arm much more than an iffy starter.

     

    Put him in the pen where he has always belonged. 

     

    What if he could be more than an iffy starter?  I'm not sure I'm sold on that characterization of his potential.

     

    (I know he's older, but he's also be foolishly yanked around)

    What if he could be more than an iffy starter? I'm not sure I'm sold on that characterization of his potential.

     

    (I know he's older, but he's also be foolishly yanked around)

    In context of this year, they need a really good two inning RP much more badly. The time of seven, even six, inning starts is at an end. Embrace the future!

     

    In context of this year, they need a really good two inning RP much more badly. The time of seven, even six, inning starts is at an end. Embrace the future!

     

    I guess I'm skeptical he'd be used that way.  If he became a 3-4 times a week guy who gives us 1-3 innings of high leverage relief....well alright then.

     

    I just have my doubts.  Not necessarily because of Molitor or the FO or anything....I think I've just been beaten down on ever thinking the Twins will be ahead of the curve.

    I guess I'm skeptical he'd be used that way. If he became a 3-4 times a week guy who gives us 1-3 innings of high leverage relief....well alright then.

     

    I just have my doubts. Not necessarily because of Molitor or the FO or anything....I think I've just been beaten down on ever thinking the Twins will be ahead of the curve.

    I know the feeling. I remain hopeful

    In talking with him, May has suggested that the back issues were something less related to relieving as they were to an actual injury he has since targeted and believes is behind him.

    Now if that's true it changes the dynamics quite a bit. He could really stack the pen with Rodney (here for this season at least), Reed, Pressly and Hildenberger.

     

    Only problem is, I still believe he could be a quality starter. And I know Santana will be back, and Gonsalves is close. Personally, I think Slegers has the ability to be at least a solid #5. Pineda next season? Mejia still has potential as well. It's a nice problem to have for sure.

    Slegers, Gonsalves, eventually Santana and Mejia can take Lynn's spot. And, Andrew Miller is worth more than a number four starter. Imo. What value does May provide this year, as a starter compared to those players? Imo, not more.

    A great point! And let's not forget Pineda next season. Littell also shows potential. But Santana, even if brought back in 2019, is probably here that one more season. Gibson is under team control for one more season. Pines also for one more season. And in Reed, Curtiss, Benitez and maybe even Bard, there are some good BP arms at Rochester.

     

    I'm not saying he shouldn't be in the pen, or that he couldn't excel there. Maybe he's even the next great arm there. I'm just a little hesitant to move him there when he could be a quality ML starter.

     

    BTW, couldn't your same arguement be made for Mejia? I think he's got enough pure stuff to make an excellent RP if starting doesn't quite work out.

    A great point! And let's not forget Pineda next season. Littell also shows potential. But Santana, even if brought back in 2019, is probably here that one more season. Gibson is under team control for one more season. Pines also for one more season. And in Reed, Curtiss, Benitez and maybe even Bard, there are some good BP arms at Rochester.

     

    I'm not saying he shouldn't be in the pen, or that he couldn't excel there. Maybe he's even the next great arm there. I'm just a little hesitant to move him there when he could be a quality ML starter.

     

    BTW, couldn't your same arguement be made for Mejia? I think he's got enough pure stuff to make an excellent RP if starting doesn't quite work out.

    It could. But he's not healthy. So I'm not worried about him.

    May should be Andrew Miller for this team.

    Andrew Miller isn't even Andrew Miller until the postseason. In the regular season, he has averaged right around 1 IP per appearance.

     

    There are very, very few Miller types in the regular season, and only for short terms. Hader might be doing it for Milwaukee right now, but we will see how long it lasts.

     

    The Twins might want such a performance, but I am highly skeptical any of their pitchers could provide it (except perhaps Berrios or Romero, who are obviously in other roles).

    It makes no sense to send May back to AAA at this point. Either he is good enough to make the rotation now, or he needs to move to the bullpen.

    Why doesn't it make sense? Guys coming off TJS recovery often lack command over their breaking stuff. I don't think anyone is saying May gets stashed in Rochester for the season, maybe just a month or two until he has a feel for pitching again.

     

    But if May has command over his breaking stuff right off the bat, it's a different situation.

    Why doesn't it make sense? Guys coming off TJS recovery often lack command over their breaking stuff. I don't think anyone is saying May gets stashed in Rochester for the season, maybe just a month or two until he has a feel for pitching again.

     

    But if May has command over his breaking stuff right off the bat, it's a different situation.

    Well, you could say that *optioning* him right away doesn't make sense. Might as well use extended rehab for any immediate minor league work he might need. (Although saving his option year for his age 29 season might not make sense either, but we did wind up using options on Gibson at age 29, and Pressly at age 28.)

     

    Why doesn't it make sense? Guys coming off TJS recovery often lack command over their breaking stuff. I don't think anyone is saying May gets stashed in Rochester for the season, maybe just a month or two until he has a feel for pitching again.

     

    But if May has command over his breaking stuff right off the bat, it's a different situation.

    If he isn't ready to pitch he shouldn't have come off the DL. If he is ready then there is no point in returning him to AAA. 

     

    Let's walk your hypothetical through a bit. It's now July 20th, the first day after the All-Star break. There are 81 games left to play and the Twins now have Santana, Gibson, Berrios, Romero, Odorizzi and Lynn who have all spent significant time in MLB this season. At least one of them will be hurt/ineffective, perhaps two so let's say they need to call up one starting pitcher from AAA in addition to the aforementioned players.

     

    Players with previous MLB experience:

    Mejia

    Slegers

    Jorge

    May

     

    MiLB players with future rotation potential:

    Gonsalves

    Littell

    Thorpe

     

    Everybody's ranking of those players will be different and I think we can all agree that on July 20th May will have a better chance of being successful than some of those pitchers. However, how big a gap is there between May and say Gonsalves, Mejia or Slegers? Is that gap worth wasting two months of a potentially back of the bullpen option? Do you want to prevent a younger player from gaining experience that might help them in future years?

    If he isn't ready to pitch he shouldn't have come off the DL. If he is ready then there is no point in returning him to AAA.

     

    Let's walk your hypothetical through a bit. It's now July 20th, the first day after the All-Star break. There are 81 games left to play and the Twins now have Santana, Gibson, Berrios, Romero, Odorizzi and Lynn who have all spent significant time in MLB this season. At least one of them will be hurt/ineffective, perhaps two so let's say they need to call up one starting pitcher from AAA in addition to the aforementioned players.

     

    Players with previous MLB experience:

    Mejia

    Slegers

    Jorge

    May

     

    MiLB players with future rotation potential:

    Gonsalves

    Littell

    Thorpe

     

    Everybody's ranking of those players will be different and I think we can all agree that on July 20th May will have a better chance of being successful than some of those pitchers. However, how big a gap is there between May and say Gonsalves, Mejia or Slegers? Is that gap worth wasting two months of a potentially back of the bullpen option? Do you want to prevent a younger player from gaining experience that might help them in future years?

    They can't keep him on the DL if he's healthy.

    He could be fully recovered from the injury, from a medical position (which would make him ineligible to remain on the DL), but still not have good command of his pitches.

    They can't keep him on the DL if he's healthy.

    He could be fully recovered from the injury, from a medical position (which would make him ineligible to remain on the DL), but still not have good command of his pitches.

    Exactly. We’ve seen it plenty of times with guys coming off TJS.

    Neither Jorge or Mejia are currently healthy. Indeed, Jorge has yet to appear in a game in 2018 and it’s been almost a month for Mejia. Slegers kinda strikes me as smoke and mirrors. It plays in AAA, not sure it will at the MLB level. So far, it has not. He’s made 4 MLB appearances. The first was pretty good. The other 3 were mediocre to poor. The Twins won’t know how May will perform as a starter at the MLB level unless or until they let him start.

     

    I think the pen will be okay as long as they don’t get overworked. More effective starting pitching would go a long way to helping that. Of the top 10 teams in MLB in IP from starting pitchers, 7 are within 2 games of a playoff spot. Washington is 3 games out in the East and Texas and Kansas City are obviously bottom feeders.

     

    It’s not a perfect measure, obviously not all teams have played the same number of games. And the Twins are still below almost every team in games played. But they are still about 1/3 of an inning BELOW the AL avg start of 5.6 IP per start. If the Twins want to be a contender, I think they need to be ABOVE average in this category. Will May help do that? There’s only one way to find out.

    They can't keep him on the DL if he's healthy.

    He could be fully recovered from the injury, from a medical position (which would make him ineligible to remain on the DL), but still not have good command of his pitches.

    There is a lot of wiggle room in these kinds of things. They kept Hughes at AAA for a month to begin the year for Christ’s sake.

    There is a lot of wiggle room in these kinds of things. They kept Hughes at AAA for a month to begin the year for Christ’s sake.

    There is only wiggle room if the player plays along.

    In May's case, he has an option left. He's not going to go along with a DL manipulation, just to save the team an option year.




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