He's Baack ...

[ericchri]

What? For not running out a K?

 

Not Arcia specific, but that's actually pretty common. Strikeout, but the catcher doesn't catch the ball cleanly such that he has to be thrown out at first to complete the play. It still counts as a strikeout, regardless of whether the player is safe at first or not. There's a fair number of 4-strikeout innings in the history of baseball as a result.

 

Not hard to imagine Arcia could strikeout and throw a tantrum (exaggerated drastically for effect, not because I truly believe it), not realizing the ball ended up at the backstop and he could have probably gotten to first safely if he'd run it out.

[E. Andrew]

Yes, the Twins are bad this season. Are you suggesting that if they only had one backup middle infielder, only two catchers, and only 12 pitchers, the Twins would be contenders? Obviously the Twins don't have the talent they need right now to compete. I am 100% positive that there is no combination of players, or composition of the roster, currently or realistically under Twins control, that could compete for playoff spot.

 

True, still weird though haha.

[jokin]

Not Arcia specific, but that's actually pretty common. Strikeout, but the catcher doesn't catch the ball cleanly such that he has to be thrown out at first to complete the play. It still counts as a strikeout, regardless of whether the player is safe at first or not. There's a fair number of 4-strikeout innings in the history of baseball as a result.

 

Not hard to imagine Arcia could strikeout and throw a tantrum (exaggerated drastically for effect, not because I truly believe it), not realizing the ball ended up at the backstop and he could have probably gotten to first safely if he'd run it out.

 

That's all well and good if that was what had happened. But.....Arcia struck out on a foul tip....this whole story is null and void!

 

I guess we'll have to wait for a more definitive version of events than Gardy's account.

[stringer bell]

I don't like seeing Son of Sal in a Twins uni. However, for the balance of the road trip, I guess I can stomach seeing him "play" for the Twins, if it means sitting on the bench. On a related note, I think it is fair to give Colabello more PAs because of his performance in Rochester. I see Bernier is starting today and that slightly irritates me, but it is a day game after a night game yadda yadda yadda.

[ThePuck]

That's all well and good if that was what had happened. But.....Arcia struck out on a foul tip....this whole story is null and void!

 

I guess we'll have to wait for a more definitive version of events than Gardy's account.

 

I posted this earlier on this thread: 'Catcher Drew Butera was called up from Triple-A Rochester to take Mauer's place on the roster. Outfielder Oswaldo Arcia, who was also a possibility to replace Mauer, left Tuesday's game with Rochester in the third inning, but it was because he felt dizziness.'

[jokin]

I posted this earlier on this thread: 'Catcher Drew Butera was called up from Triple-A Rochester to take Mauer's place on the roster. Outfielder Oswaldo Arcia, who was also a possibility to replace Mauer, left Tuesday's game with Rochester in the third inning, but it was because he felt dizziness.'

 

Did somebody tell Gardy? The decision to bring up Butera was likely made early in last night's game. Dick and Roy were actively bringing up the supporting reasons why Butera had to get the call-up due to the "dire situation" the Twins found themselves in with only 2 catchers.

[Beezer07]

I'm not sure why this argument keeps coming up, because I'm positive no one in their right mind on this forum has even attempted to argue that a couple call ups this year or last were going to get us anywhere close to the playoffs. That's not the point though, so if you want to defend the FO's bench/roster management, you're gonna need a better case than, "well, we won't make the playoffs"

 

That's not even close to an argument I'm making. I don't understand the point in complaining about how the Twins have crappy players in the bigs when it doesn't matter who's in the bigs because most of the Twins players are crappy. It's not like TR need "practice" in constructing the ideal 25-man roster. He's most likely filling holes and needs, trying to field a legitimate major league team, while still planning for the future and protecting the future stars that need protecting.

 

But some people like to complain for the sake of complaining, I guess. Any chance to rag on TR or Gardy is like currency to some.

[Danchat]

We should have called up Brain Dinkelman....

[ThePuck]

Did somebody tell Gardy? The decision to bring up Butera was likely made early in last night's game. Dick and Roy were actively bringing up the supporting reasons why Butera had to get the call-up due to the "dire situation" the Twins found themselves in with only 2 catchers.

 

I don't know, but Rhett Bollinger put that in his article today about Mauer being out, so maybe Gardy saw something and made a comment, only later to find out Arcia was experiencing dizziness.

[LaBombo]

I once saw Drew Butera at the bank. True story.

How did you recognize him? Did his pen keep missing the deposit slip?

[ScottyB]

If he doesn't want Herrmann catching a day game after a late night, swap Dooms and Herrmann as catcher and RF.

 

I guess Gardy is reading - Herrmann in RF today, Dooms behind the plate, Butera on the bench.

[nicksaviking]

I try to give the FO a little leeway every time Joe has kids.

 

Well this is the first time, what's the excuse for the rest of the time they mis-manage the roster?

 

I'm guessing LE3 had it wrong. Arcia heard that Butera got the promotion mid-game and didn't hustle fast enough to the club house phone to ask TR what the hell is going on.

 

Three games doesn't matter much, though you know Drew will get a start. I'd prefer to let Herrmann get all three considering he is basically auditioning for the full time backup gig come 2014.

[big dog]

Dick and Roy were actively bringing up the supporting reasons why Butera had to get the call-up due to the "dire situation" the Twins found themselves in with only 2 catchers.

 

To be a little more fair, the Twins had only 2 catchers, one of whom is really a DH and both of whom currently represent a starting and THE backup outfielder. I have a hard time being outraged that Butera's coming up for a few games.

 

If he stays up here after Mauer comes back, that's a different thing for me.

[LaBombo]

We should have called up Brain Dinkelman....

Only if he's bringing Adrienne Barbeau with him...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OQmEa5OKyOI/SkQ8GZFKDHI/AAAAAAAAPec/ScrNUfxaEHw/s400/02MaggieStand01.jpg

[jokin]

To be a little more fair, the Twins had only 2 catchers, one of whom is really a DH and both of whom currently represent a starting and THE backup outfielder. I have a hard time being outraged that Butera's coming up for a few games.

 

If he stays up here after Mauer comes back, that's a different thing for me.

 

 

I don't see anyone on this thread being outraged. As has been pointed out, only 4 of 30 MLB teams are carrying 3 catchers. And only one of those 4 besides the Twins plays their catchers like the Twins do- and that's the Braves. (The Cardinals just called Rob Johnson up a week or so ago to protect themselves from Molina's precarious situation with his knee).

 

The bench options for this very short stint without Mauer is pitiful. To emphasize the point- We lost Mauer's bat for maybe 3 games and replaced it with Butera's back-up glove. Shorthanding yourself by not having a legitimate situational bat needlessly----- over a highly unlikely, and far less-than-calamitous possibility of having to lose the DH for 1 or 2 ABs, for one night---- helps Gardy sleep better at night. Most other MLB managers? Not so much.

[Scheherezade]

Arcia's current AAA stint has only been 5 games. I'd rather see him crush AAA pitching for 10-20 games in a block and bring him up based on development. You shouldn't be ping-ponging your real prospects back and forth from AAA-MLB: that's what Butera's are for.

[jokin]

Arcia's current AAA stint has only been 5 games. I'd rather see him crush AAA pitching for 10-20 games in a block and bring him up based on development. You shouldn't be ping-ponging your real prospects back and forth from AAA-MLB: that's what Butera's are for.

 

The 25-man is already currently littered with guys who are not part of the future. If not Arcia, then why not just call up Pinto???- a guy who's supposedly a bright part of the future.... in a year invested by the Twins in seeing what they have to move forward with.....and....he's already on the 40-man, and..... there's more than a fighting chance he would have better major league PAs during this short stint than Drewbie.

[big dog]

I don't see anyone on this thread being outraged. As has been pointed out, only 4 of 30 MLB teams are carrying 3 catchers. And only one of those 4 besides the Twins plays their catchers like the Twins do- and that's the Braves. (The Cardinals just called Rob Johnson up a week or so ago to protect themselves from Molina's precarious situation with his knee).

 

The bench options for this very short stint without Mauer is pitiful. To emphasize the point- We lost Mauer's bat for maybe 3 games and replaced it with Butera's back-up glove. Shorthanding yourself by not having a legitimate situational bat needlessly----- over a highly unlikely, and far less-than-calamitous possibility of having to lose the DH for 1 or 2 ABs, for one night---- helps Gardy sleep better at night. Most other MLB managers? Not so much.

 

I didn't accuse anyone of being outraged, just said that I wasn't (but the way you read it makes sense too). Trading Garza and Bartlett for Delmon Young, that outraged me.

 

I'm not disagreeing about bench design for the long term. I would just as soon never see Doumit behind the plate again...or in the outfield. And I don't think much of him as a DH. As an emergency, tolerable (compared to Escobar anyway). I'm hoping we move him, and that Hermann is a younger, better version of Doumit.

 

And I'm hoping Butera goes back to AAA without having to appear in a game, and that Arcia tears it up for another week and comes back ready to rock as he stays in the majors the rest of his career. But then I'm a hopeful kind of guy.

[Rick Blaine]

Saw the Thread title and assumed we got Nick Punto back!

[ScottyB]

Did somebody tell Gardy? The decision to bring up Butera was likely made early in last night's game. Dick and Roy were actively bringing up the supporting reasons why Butera had to get the call-up due to the "dire situation" the Twins found themselves in with only 2 catchers.

 

Maybe I missed something in the broadcast, but I don't remember them talking about Butera at all. They did say that when the shakeup came just before the all-star game that it was necessary for the Twins to call up a catcher because if Mauer was called away because of the baby like last night, it would have been a "dire situation" because they would have lost Mauer, and Doumit, now the starting right fielder, would have had to shift to catcher. Leaving one catcher and two OF's on the roster which would have been untennable. I believe they were talking more about bringing up Herrmann after the break, than bringing up Butera now.

[Kwak]

Unsaid is "why are there still 13 pitchers on the AR"? Twelve pitchers is excessive, thirteen would only be used if there were some "walking wounded", or the rotation is consistently being pulled before the the fifth inning. The rotation has been at least reasonable (Diamond is the problem) and clearly at least one pitcher can be sent to Rochester and exchanged for an OF.