Eiberson Castellano Cut by Twins; Brock Stewart, Brooks Lee to Begin Season on IL

[Doctor Gast]

6 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

He's been DFA'd. If he clears waivers (I'd be fairly surprised if he did), the Twins will offer him back to the Phillies.

That'd be understood but I had heard nothing official.

[IndianaTwin]

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[stringer bell]

49 minutes ago, AKTwinsFan said:

Castellano probably just wanted to play for another team, he will most likely be swept up quickly by a contending team and end up being an ace. 

I recall very few occasions where a Rule V guy gets claimed rather than returning to his original franchise. Whoever would claim him would have to work with the same restrictions that the Twins had. 

[DJL44]

9 hours ago, stringer bell said:

I recall very few occasions where a Rule V guy gets claimed rather than returning to his original franchise. Whoever would claim him would have to work with the same restrictions that the Twins had. 

Many teams passed up the chance to draft him in December and he doesn't look more attractive now.

[old nurse]

If a trade is not worked out beforehand a Rule v players in order to be sent down have to be made available to the other teams that could have drafted him for the 100k fee. If no teams want him, he must be offered to the Phillies for 50k. If they don’t want him back, then the Twins can send him to the minors. If they have traded for him, he is no longer under rule v.  After all that and he is still a Twins player, if the Twins want his 40 man spot they can DFA him. 

[Fatbat]

45 minutes ago, old nurse said:

If a trade is not worked out beforehand a Rule v players in order to be sent down have to be made available to the other teams that could have drafted him for the 100k fee. If no teams want him, he must be offered to the Phillies for 50k. If they don’t want him back, then the Twins can send him to the minors. If they have traded for him, he is no longer under rule v.  After all that and he is still a Twins player, if the Twins want his 40 man spot they can DFA him. 

I would assume the Phillies want him back.
Lets assume for a minute that they don’t and he remains a Twin.  He would likely be sent to Wichita or St. Paul and remain on the 40 man roster.  He may be a year or so away from climbing back to a possible 26 man spot so it’s doubtful he is DFA’d. 
The more likely scenario is that he is gone. His 40 man spot is open along with Canterino’s since he just had shoulder surgery and will be on IL-60 for the season. 
Now we have two 40 man spots open. Who takes them? Do we add Preillip/Keaschall and start the clock ticking on them or do we look for DFA’s from the other clubs that may be closer to MLB ready? The next couple days may see a lot of card shuffling!

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, Fatbat said:

I would assume the Phillies want him back.
Lets assume for a minute that they don’t and he remains a Twin.  He would likely be sent to Wichita or St. Paul and remain on the 40 man roster.  He may be a year or so away from climbing back to a possible 26 man spot so it’s doubtful he is DFA’d. 

If he makes it back to Philly, he's off the 40 man roster. The Twins could trade for him and he would remain off the 40 man roster.

[Fatbat]

39 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

If he makes it back to Philly, he's off the 40 man roster. The Twins could trade for him and he would remain off the 40 man roster.

True true but why would Philly want him gone?  They obviously didn’t want to trade him during the offseason.

[stringer bell]

2 hours ago, Fatbat said:

I would assume the Phillies want him back.
Lets assume for a minute that they don’t and he remains a Twin.  He would likely be sent to Wichita or St. Paul and remain on the 40 man roster.  He may be a year or so away from climbing back to a possible 26 man spot so it’s doubtful he is DFA’d. 
The more likely scenario is that he is gone. His 40 man spot is open along with Canterino’s since he just had shoulder surgery and will be on IL-60 for the season. 
Now we have two 40 man spots open. Who takes them? Do we add Preillip/Keaschall and start the clock ticking on them or do we look for DFA’s from the other clubs that may be closer to MLB ready? The next couple days may see a lot of card shuffling!

Canterino is currently on the 40-man and was on the 40-man all last year.  There is absolutely no reason to promote guys to the 40-man until it is necessary. I’m still not sure what the process is to take him off the  40-man at this point. 

[DJL44]

21 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

Canterino is currently on the 40-man and was on the 40-man all last year.  There is absolutely no reason to promote guys to the 40-man until it is necessary. I’m still not sure what the process is to take him off the  40-man at this point. 

Waivers

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1 minute ago, DJL44 said:

Waivers

Can the Twins put an injured player on waivers? I know they can promote him to the majors and then place him on the 60-day IL. Is there an injury settlement involved?

[Fatbat]

4 hours ago, stringer bell said:

Canterino is currently on the 40-man and was on the 40-man all last year.  There is absolutely no reason to promote guys to the 40-man until it is necessary. I’m still not sure what the process is to take him off the  40-man at this point. 

He has a 1 yr recovery/rehab from the shoulder surgery ahead so when he is placed on the 60 day IL, he can be replaced on the 40 man and only needs his spot back when he is fully healthy and rehab assignment is complete. 

[Fatbat]

Sounds like Dobnak is now on the 40/26 man and heading to St. Louis for opening day long man in the bullpen. Canterino won’t be sent thru waivers because he is on a year long rehab. He is technically off the 40man but needs a spot back when rehab is done or he has to be sent thru waivers at that time. 

[DJL44]

5 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

He has a 1 yr recovery/rehab from the shoulder surgery ahead so when he is placed on the 60 day IL, he can be replaced on the 40 man and only needs his spot back when he is fully healthy and rehab assignment is complete. 

But then you have to pay him an MLB contract for the season and he earns a year of service time.

[DJL44]

2 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

Canterino won’t be sent thru waivers because he is on a year long rehab. He is technically off the 40man but needs a spot back when rehab is done or he has to be sent thru waivers at that time. 

He is currently on the 40-man roster and optioned to the minors. He will go on the minor league IL.

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1 minute ago, Fatbat said:

Sounds like Dobnak is now on the 40/26 man and heading to St. Louis for opening day long man in the bullpen. Canterino won’t be sent thru waivers because he is on a year long rehab. He is technically off the 40man but needs a spot back when rehab is done or he has to be sent thru waivers at that time. 

No, he is on the 40-man roster and hasn't officially been put on any 60-day IL. The 40-man spot for Dobnak was cleared when Castellano was waived (now returned to the Phillies). The only way the Twins can both maintain team control and get Canterino off the 40-man is to put him on the major league roster and place him on the 60-day IL. This does give him service time, something they were unwilling to do last year. 

I'm pretty sure the Twins will part ways with Canterino, or at least expose him to be claimed as a DFA, but I'm not sure what the rules are for an injured player who is under contract. 

[Fatbat]

18 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

 

No, he is on the 40-man roster and hasn't officially been put on any 60-day IL. The 40-man spot for Dobnak was cleared when Castellano was waived (now returned to the Phillies). The only way the Twins can both maintain team control and get Canterino off the 40-man is to put him on the major league roster and place him on the 60-day IL. This does give him service time, something they were unwilling to do last year. 

I'm pretty sure the Twins will part ways with Canterino, or at least expose him to be claimed as a DFA, but I'm not sure what the rules are for an injured player who is under contract. 

@DJL44 has it right. Same thing that happened to headrick last season. Canterino has and was optioned to the minors so he is on the DL-60 minor leagues. I thought his 40 man spot could be used until he is done with rehab but I could be wrong. 
And yes, Dobnak got Castellano’s 40 man spot.

[old nurse]

21 hours ago, Fatbat said:

I would assume the Phillies want him back.
Lets assume for a minute that they don’t and he remains a Twin.  He would likely be sent to Wichita or St. Paul and remain on the 40 man roster.  He may be a year or so away from climbing back to a possible 26 man spot so it’s doubtful he is DFA’d. 
The more likely scenario is that he is gone. His 40 man spot is open along with Canterino’s since he just had shoulder surgery and will be on IL-60 for the season. 
Now we have two 40 man spots open. Who takes them? Do we add Preillip/Keaschall and start the clock ticking on them or do we look for DFA’s from the other clubs that may be closer to MLB ready? The next couple days may see a lot of card shuffling!

Their best pitching prospect is coming off an injury year. Their AAA prospects really did not do all that well when called up. I think Castellano was left unprotected to see if they could wrangle a better prospect out of someone.  

 

[old nurse]

14 hours ago, stringer bell said:

 

No, he is on the 40-man roster and hasn't officially been put on any 60-day IL. The 40-man spot for Dobnak was cleared when Castellano was waived (now returned to the Phillies). The only way the Twins can both maintain team control and get Canterino off the 40-man is to put him on the major league roster and place him on the 60-day IL. This does give him service time, something they were unwilling to do last year. 

I'm pretty sure the Twins will part ways with Canterino, or at least expose him to be claimed as a DFA, but I'm not sure what the rules are for an injured player who is under contract. 

 

14 hours ago, Fatbat said:

@DJL44 has it right. Same thing that happened to headrick last season. Canterino has and was optioned to the minors so he is on the DL-60 minor leagues. I thought his 40 man spot could be used until he is done with rehab but I could be wrong. 
And yes, Dobnak got Castellano’s 40 man spot.

 Canterino was optioned. The minor leagues only have the 7 day IL according to MLB.com. To use Canterino’s 40 man spot they would either have to DFA him or activate him and then place him on the 60 day IL. CBA would have what the teams are responsible for with an injured player. If it doesn’t change his paycheck they could probably DFA him while injured.. As a minor league player on the 40 man I don’t know if he is part of the union. As we all know from last year once the season starts they can’t demote an injured player. 

[Fatbat]

4 minutes ago, old nurse said:

 

 Canterino was optioned. The minor leagues only have the 7 day IL according to MLB.com. To use Canterino’s 40 man spot they would either have to DFA him or activate him and then place him on the 60 day IL. CBA would have what the teams are responsible for with an injured player. If it doesn’t change his paycheck they could probably DFA him while injured.. As a minor league player on the 40 man I don’t know if he is part of the union. As we all know from last year once the season starts they can’t demote an injured player. 

Exactly, wasn’t he in MLB camp as a 40 man roster spot. Got injured. Got optioned to AAA. Then had surgery. I don’t know how the 40 man movement works in that scenario. Essentially the Twins have a 39man roster at this point because he won’t be playing anywhere in ‘25.