Twins Catcher Ryan Jeffers's Pitch Framing Continues to Slump

[Linus]

The Twins obviously believe in framing as they contort their catchers stance. He’s not a great receiver but I would let him go back to a traditional crouch behind the plate. His blocking and throwing would improve and framing would be the same. 

[joefish]

Remove the white box from the video screen that allows the viewers to see and know what the umpires can't. 

[I Miss The Lakes]

4 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Let's get rid of instant replay & be totally dependent on the human element. It's foolish to trust umpires' frail humanity. especially when so much is depending on it. I prefer fair & impartial robo ump any day.

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Edited August 16, 2024 by I Miss The Lakes
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[USAFChief]

13 minutes ago, joefish said:

Remove the white box from the video screen that allows the viewers to see and know what the umpires can't. 

And which doesn't...can't....depict the strike zone.

[ashbury]

2 hours ago, Parfigliano said:

I went to a AAA Albuquerque Isotopes game about 2 weeks ago that had robo ump in use.  Human ump got every challenge wrong.

Ditto for a St Paul game I was at last week.  All but one went the challenger's way.  Left to their own devices the schoolyard way, it seems like the players themselves might call a better game.

[ashbury]

4 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

And which doesn't...can't....depict the strike zone.

Unless and until the rule book is changed to define it that way.  You'd basically never notice the difference and the game would move along more smoothly.

[JD-TWINS]

1 hour ago, Linus said:

The Twins obviously believe in framing as they contort their catchers stance. He’s not a great receiver but I would let him go back to a traditional crouch behind the plate. His blocking and throwing would improve and framing would be the same. 

I’m sure his catching approach is what he feels comfortable with and has chosen - it’s essentially the norm throughout MLB.

[jorgenswest]

1 hour ago, ashbury said:

Unless and until the rule book is changed to define it that way.  You'd basically never notice the difference and the game would move along more smoothly.

Isn’t the game moving along smoothly now? It seems like adding tech can only cause the game to move along less smoothly.

[ashbury]

11 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Isn’t the game moving along smoothly now? It seems like adding tech can only cause the game to move along less smoothly.

Enjoy your quaint 19-century game, where a 70-MPH pitch was pretty fast.  Any sport being designed from the ground up, today, would include no features that involve something measurable but which leave the decisions to an opinion by a human that they try to train to make good guesses. 

Pro tennis is making the switchover away from line judges, for example, and no one thinks that game will be ruined.

[jorgenswest]

4 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Enjoy your quaint 19-century game, where a 70-MPH pitch was pretty fast.  Any sport being designed from the ground up, today, would include no features that involve something measurable but which leave the decisions to an opinion by a human that they try to train to make good guesses. 

Pro tennis is making the switchover away from line judges, for example, and no one thinks that game will be ruined.

Huh? What does all that have to do with how smoothly the game moves along? 

So far the tech has not worked in AAA despite in season tweaks. They have now taken a step back from the automated strike zone in AAA mid season. I do think the tech will get there but the challenges of a 3D strike zone that changes with every batter are far different from the fixed 2D plane of a tennis court. It isn’t ready yet. 

[ashbury]

9 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

 I do think the tech will get there but the challenges of a 3D strike zone that changes with every batter are far different from the fixed 2D plane of a tennis court.

Change the strike zone definition.  I already said that.  99% of fans would never notice the difference.  The remaining 1% would be hard pressed to explain why old is better than new, or vice versa. 

Automating the strike zone might have a small helpful impact for batters (better predictability, while pitching is all about messing with that).  If the strike zone becomes a 2-D construct, it maybe gives the talented pitcher a way to make a perfect pitch that will be unhittable that will be called a strike where it's currently not, removing a little of that batter-advantage.  Anything that contributes to balance is okay in my book.

[Linus]

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

I’m sure his catching approach is what he feels comfortable with and has chosen - it’s essentially the norm throughout MLB.

Nope. When he came up he had the traditional crouch. There are still plenty of catchers that have a traditional crouch. 

[Craig Arko]

2 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

Isn’t the game moving along smoothly now? It seems like adding tech can only cause the game to move along less smoothly.

Because we know technology is glitch-free. Just like securing social security numbers. Bwahahaha! 

[jorgenswest]

1 hour ago, ashbury said:

Change the strike zone definition.  I already said that.  99% of fans would never notice the difference.  The remaining 1% would be hard pressed to explain why old is better than new, or vice versa. 

Automating the strike zone might have a small helpful impact for batters (better predictability, while pitching is all about messing with that).  If the strike zone becomes a 2-D construct, it maybe gives the talented pitcher a way to make a perfect pitch that will be unhittable that will be called a strike where it's currently not, removing a little of that batter-advantage.  Anything that contributes to balance is okay in my book.

The same strike zone for every hitter?

[ashbury]

Just now, jorgenswest said:

The same strike zone for every hitter?

Is that in any proposal for ABS you've ever seen?

[jorgenswest]

2 hours ago, ashbury said:

Is that in any proposal for ABS you've ever seen?

It is the biggest challenge and they will figure it out. The ideal, for me, is an ABS and not a challenge system. The ABS can happen in the flow of the game without breaks for challenge or limit on number of challenges. The AAA trial just shows it isn’t ready. Significant inconsistencies had them tweek it last year and back off the ABS this year switching to the challenge system mid season. They don’t back off if it was at all passable right now.