Are Surveyed Players Right to Call Carlos Correa Overrated?

[JD-TWINS]

2 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

I am not denying that he is good, but that is not the question.  How high do we rate him?

50% of the time he’s overrated……40% of the time he’s a high functioning guy that might be worth the $$ ……..10% of the time (the last week) he’s one of the best in all of baseball!!

[saviking]

18 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

What would that extra 33 million have gotten you? What if Lewis was at SS and Miranda was at 3B, what would you have spent the money on this offseason? And who would've been playing SS for the first 2 months of the season while Lewis was hurt?

Farmer was the original plan before we resigned Correa, but no one knew Lewis was going to get injured out of the get-go. Correa could have gotten injured out of the get-go. Anybody can, but at the beginning of the season, that's not what people expected. As for who I would have signed, you can start with Sonny Gray with two-thirds of the money. Sonny is 8-4 with a 3.01 era for STL, an average team. 

[saviking]

Just now, saviking said:

Farmer was the original plan before we resigned Correa, but no one knew Lewis was going to get injured out of the get-go. Correa could have gotten injured out of the get-go. Anybody can, but at the beginning of the season, that's not what people expected. As for who I would have signed, you can start with Sonny Gray with two-thirds of the money. Sonny is 8-4 with a 3.01 era for STL, an average team. 

Plus, Lee is knocking on the door to the majors right now and could take over SS, moving Lewis back to third and Miranda back to first. 

[chpettit19]

3 minutes ago, saviking said:

Farmer was the original plan before we resigned Correa, but no one knew Lewis was going to get injured out of the get-go. Correa could have gotten injured out of the get-go. Anybody can, but at the beginning of the season, that's not what people expected. As for who I would have signed, you can start with Sonny Gray with two-thirds of the money. Sonny is 8-4 with a 3.01 era for STL, an average team. 

 

2 minutes ago, saviking said:

Plus, Lee is knocking on the door to the majors right now and could take over SS, moving Lewis back to third and Miranda back to first. 

Kyle Farmer as an everyday SS is a disaster of an idea. At this point he isn't even the backup shortstop. Royce Lewis has played 80 games in 3 seasons. He was expected to debut a year earlier even so if you really want to get into it he's played 80 games in 4 years. If you're not expecting him to get hurt you're not paying attention. At this point, he's no different than Buxton. Banking on him to be a 150+ games played guy is ignoring a whole lot of reality over 4 seasons. The injury happening on opening day isn't the point. If he'd miss June and July you're still stuck with no real SS. Nobody knew Miranda was going to bounce back like this either. If you're going to take the hindsight knowledge of his performance into account you don't get to ignore the hindsight knowledge of Lewis being hurt. Which was the far more predictable thing at the start of the year. Sonny could've been signed for the cost of Santana, Farmer, Margot, and Vazquez. It's far easier to replace all 4 of them than it is to replace Carlos Correa.

Lee also missed the first 2 months of the season hurt. And he has a career .755 OPS at AAA. That's not "knocking on the door to the majors." Fans hope he's in the majors soon, and an above average player, but beyond prospect rankings and draft position he hasn't actually shown he can do that.

If you believe Carlos Correa isn't worth his money I hope your stance is that the Twins should never sign any stars. This is what they cost. And he is a star. Building a team around only pre-arb and arb players is incredibly hard to do if you're trying to compete for the playoffs and World Series. 

[saviking]

2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

 

Kyle Farmer as an everyday SS is a disaster of an idea. At this point he isn't even the backup shortstop. Royce Lewis has played 80 games in 3 seasons. He was expected to debut a year earlier even so if you really want to get into it he's played 80 games in 4 years. If you're not expecting him to get hurt you're not paying attention. At this point, he's no different than Buxton. Banking on him to be a 150+ games played guy is ignoring a whole lot of reality over 4 seasons. The injury happening on opening day isn't the point. If he'd miss June and July you're still stuck with no real SS. Nobody knew Miranda was going to bounce back like this either. If you're going to take the hindsight knowledge of his performance into account you don't get to ignore the hindsight knowledge of Lewis being hurt. Which was the far more predictable thing at the start of the year. Sonny could've been signed for the cost of Santana, Farmer, Margot, and Vazquez. It's far easier to replace all 4 of them than it is to replace Carlos Correa.

Lee also missed the first 2 months of the season hurt. And he has a career .755 OPS at AAA. That's not "knocking on the door to the majors." Fans hope he's in the majors soon, and an above average player, but beyond prospect rankings and draft position he hasn't actually shown he can do that.

If you believe Carlos Correa isn't worth his money I hope your stance is that the Twins should never sign any stars. This is what they cost. And he is a star. Building a team around only pre-arb and arb players is incredibly hard to do if you're trying to compete for the playoffs and World Series. 

Then let's just agree to disagree.

[JD-TWINS]

20 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

 

Kyle Farmer as an everyday SS is a disaster of an idea. At this point he isn't even the backup shortstop. Royce Lewis has played 80 games in 3 seasons. He was expected to debut a year earlier even so if you really want to get into it he's played 80 games in 4 years. If you're not expecting him to get hurt you're not paying attention. At this point, he's no different than Buxton. Banking on him to be a 150+ games played guy is ignoring a whole lot of reality over 4 seasons. The injury happening on opening day isn't the point. If he'd miss June and July you're still stuck with no real SS. Nobody knew Miranda was going to bounce back like this either. If you're going to take the hindsight knowledge of his performance into account you don't get to ignore the hindsight knowledge of Lewis being hurt. Which was the far more predictable thing at the start of the year. Sonny could've been signed for the cost of Santana, Farmer, Margot, and Vazquez. It's far easier to replace all 4 of them than it is to replace Carlos Correa.

Lee also missed the first 2 months of the season hurt. And he has a career .755 OPS at AAA. That's not "knocking on the door to the majors." Fans hope he's in the majors soon, and an above average player, but beyond prospect rankings and draft position he hasn't actually shown he can do that.

If you believe Carlos Correa isn't worth his money I hope your stance is that the Twins should never sign any stars. This is what they cost. And he is a star. Building a team around only pre-arb and arb players is incredibly hard to do if you're trying to compete for the playoffs and World Series. 

Attitude - leadership - availability……he was a young guy on a World Series winner…..there’s value in having him around our young roster guys!! Worth something - intangible.

Availability & hindsight is the real flaw in the other guy’s comments as you point out……as well as your point of what star players really cost.

Lee - Lewis both out nearly the entire season to date - Absolutely sunk if they were penciled in as the designated “starters” ………Miranda appears to be back and has the real potential to be a valuable flex player, ongoing. Nobody knew he would perform to this level!

My question is how far back does one turn the clock for this “reversal move “? End of ‘22? Middle of ‘23? Just before playoffs start in ‘23? …….obviously, taking him off our roster weakens the line-up - our team attitude - the team depth changes greatly.

[Original_JB]

They asked players; players don't pay contracts; I think now that the contract(s) have started and he's got some time with the team, perhaps the question asked of GMs/owners should be: "if Carlos Correa became available to your team at no cost other than fulfilling his current contract, do you want him"? What do you feel the % of 'takers' may be? I think that gives you a more clear answer (and yes, I realize that wasn't the question asked, I'm just surmising).

[ashbury]

Correa strikes me as possibly like the old saying about cocky guys such as AJ: "You hate him when he's in the opponents ' dugout, and you hate him a little less when he's in yours."

No, I don't think it's actually quite like that, but this survey might be reflective of something along that line.