Reviewing the Incredibly Early Returns in the Jorge Polanco Trade

[USAFChief]

3 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

My objection was classifying Santana as a full-time player and Julien as a part-time player.  

Then why did you post THIS EXACT QUOTE?

"Julien is leading the team in plate appearances so the “he is not playing everyday" argument lacks credibility."

At the least, own up to your own lack of credibility. 

And with that, youre on ignore. 

[Major League Ready]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

Then why did you post THIS EXACT QUOTE?

"Julien is leading the team in plate appearances so the “he is not playing everyday" argument lacks credibility."

At the least, own up to your own lack of credibility. 

And with that, youre on ignore. 

That statement was made in the context of insisting Santana was a full-time player and Julien is a part-time player when they have the same number of games played and same PAs.   You can come back with a poor phrasing and I would concede my argument drifted.  The fact remains the bitching was about Santana being full-time.  What's really wild is Sanatana is a 1B.  What does that have to do with Julien or Polanco?  So what, if Julien is platooned?  He is 2nd on the team in WAR and among the leaders in most offensive stats.  Would it be better to have Polanco there who is currently playing below replacement level?

[Riverbrian]

3 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

Well, if you can't argue a legitimate point I guess the comeback is to complain.  Are you or are you not ignoring that Polanco has been a negative WAR player?  Should we ignore his 167 BA or his .577 OPS?  How exactly would this have been helpful to the Twins?

I'm aware of his current stats. I'm aware of Julien's current stats. I'm aware of Margot's current stats, I'm aware of Farmer's current stats. I'm aware of Santana's stats, I'm aware of Buxton's stats, I'm aware of Royce Lewis's stats, I'm aware of Ryan Jeffers stats, I'm aware of Alex Bregman's current stats. I'm aware of Mookie Bett's current stats.

I understand sample size and I understand that some players are going to turn it around and some players may not over the course of 162 games,

I also understand that you use words like legitimate on your posts and ignoring on mine. 

I wasn't exactly sure why I would need to work in everybody's current stats when I'm pointing out that Julien is platooning and that Castro and Santana are not.

 

[Doctor Gast]

7 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Here's the thing - you are biased. You cannot possibly "know who they are as a player and as a person" or all of the "underlying conditions that affect the results" (more word salad). You believe you know those things but the reality is that you do not have the resources to truly know them

I am less biased than most. Like I've stated before I'm willing to change my stance on any player. You can know a person by what he says, what he does & sometimes what others say about them. You can glean underlying conditions on the internet or by just observing how a player plays, To make a logical analysis it's essential. It's not difficult you just have to be open to go beyond the hype-spun stats to look.

Polanco is often spoken of as heart & soul of the team, clutch-hitter, willing to play hurt, & even when the team sucks he still produces & a great clubhouse guy. Even in a slump he'll still come across with a clutch hit like he did last night in the bottom of the 9th, trailing 1-0 against the Braves in a crucial game, got a single that Garver hit a walk-off homer. That is who he is. Like the examples you omitted that I knew Lewis & Martin would come back even though many had written them off because I knew who they were. Polanco will come back & help SEA make & advance in the playoff because of who he is. 

I don't buy the negative hype that he's broken because there's nothing to support it. By all accounts & transaction physical exam, he is healthy. I'm not against trading Polanco if there it helps the team but this trade does not & made us weaker, to rebuke again your idea that I'm in love with him.

This trade is too early to completely evaluate this trade this year. Any independent mind could see by the condition of DeSclafani's arm that he wasn't going to in any way impact the team as positive hype come across. The only piece of this trade that is definite is DeSclavani will not make any contribution to this team. Yet you refuse to admit you were wrong even though it's obvious you are. I refuse to try to talk sense to you because are so close-minded.

[Linus]

This certainly turned into a pleasant thread 🙂

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

Polanco is often spoken of as heart & soul of the team, clutch-hitter, willing to play hurt, & even when the team sucks he still produces & a great clubhouse guy. Even in a slump he'll still come across with a clutch hit like he did last night in the bottom of the 9th, trailing 1-0 against the Braves in a crucial game, got a single that Garver hit a walk-off homer. That is who he is. Like the examples you omitted that I knew Lewis & Martin would come back even though many had written them off because I knew who they were. Polanco will come back & help SEA make & advance in the playoff because of who he is. 

This trade is too early to completely evaluate this trade this year. Any independent mind could see by the condition of DeSclafani's arm that he wasn't going to in any way impact the team as positive hype come across. The only piece of this trade that is definite is DeSclavani will not make any contribution to this team. Yet you refuse to admit you were wrong even though it's obvious you are. I refuse to try to talk sense to you because are so close-minded.

Your analysis on Polanco is purely vibes based, and this proves it. Saying "I'm less biased than most" when I can read your comments and constant patting yourself on the back is a lot like saying "I'm more humble than you are."

Your examples about Lewis and Martin are relevant, why exactly? "Many people are saying" is such a tired trope I can't believe people are still using it. I would challenge you to find any kind of large-scale writing off of Royce Lewis. Just because you remember a few comments does not make it a majority opinion - anecdotes are not factual. And on Martin, yes he's had a nice start to his MLB career but if your argument is that it is too early to judge the Polanco trade how is it logical to pat yourself on the back after 68 major league plate appearances? 

What was I wrong about regarding DeSclafani? Do you have a specific claim of mine or are you just assuming that I said all those things you previously commented when I did no such thing?

[dxpavelka]

On 4/30/2024 at 7:23 AM, Riverbrian said:

I'm not going to argue full time definitions. And I'm especially not going to debate it with you. 

This is my post. It is accurate. 

You have responded to this post with:  "Misrepresentation". "Cherry Picked", "manipulated", "True but misleading", "Lacks Credibility", "biased". 

I repeat... my post is accurate.  

Willi Castro has started 13 straight games and 16 out of the last 17 games. 

I understand that injuries are the reason. He may not be the intended full time player yet he has started 13 straight games.

In the meantime... take your misrepresentation, cherry picked, manipulated, true but misleading, lack credibility" biased and shove it. 

The fact that Willi Castro has started 13 straight games merely serves to invalidate any argument that validates the validity of Willi Castro starting 13 straight games.  Translation:  Don't use Willi Castro starting 13 straight games as any sort of positive argument.

[Squirrel]

Stop it now … walk away.