Correia 'threw the ball fantastic'

[greengoblinrulz]

says the manager, who obviously has found his new favorite.

However, since May 1st (6 starts)

34IP 46h 23er 11hr 14k 7bb.......6.09ERA???

Given up 3 er in all 6 starts

Only gone 6IP in 3 of last 6 starts

Hillarious how low the standards have become for a Twins starter.

Will Correia see an under 4 ERA the rest of the season or is it downhill to a 5+ ERA where he continues to 'throw the ball great' & 'battle his tail off'!!!

[glunn]

Everything is relative, and compared with the other starters, KC has been solid.

[Riverbrian]

Too many other things to be concerned about with the team. He had a problem with Jason Bay today... Oh well.

 

4.09 ERA... He has given his team a chance to win in the majority of his starts.

 

Hes not Verlander but he hasn't been the guy everyone thought he was this pre season either.

 

I can't muster the energy for Correia disdain right now.

[greengoblinrulz]

Part of my negativity of Correia's signing/excitement is his history this decade

2010 April ..........5 starts 4W 1L 3.86ERA-- 28 IP 25h 12er 26k 10bb

2010 Rest of Yr 21starts 6W 9L 5.93ERA 112.1IP 123h 74ER 85k 52bb

 

2011 April ...........6starts 4W 2L 2.90 ERA --40.1IP 35h 13er 18k 9bb

2011 Rest of Yr 20starts 8W 9L 5.46ERA 113.2IP 140h 69er 59k 30bb

 

2012 April ....4starts 1W 1L 2.42ERA 22.1IP 15h 6er 9k 8bb

2012 Next 17 starts 8W 6L 5.13ERA 100IP 111h 57er 51k 27bb

Moved to pen after Wandy Rodriguez trade (did get 5 Sept starts that were good).

 

Correia tricks ya into believing in him in April but is well below league average after that. This is a reason he wears out his welcome quickly IMO. He's already hypnotized many Twins fans/media/manager but their will be a drastic fall that is already happenning.

[bird]

Yeah, geez. He's been almost as crappy as Marcum.

[Riverbrian]

Part of my negativity of Correia's signing/excitement is his history this decade

2010 April ..........5 starts 4W 1L 3.86ERA-- 28 IP 25h 12er 26k 10bb

2010 Rest of Yr 21starts 6W 9L 5.93ERA 112.1IP 123h 74ER 85k 52bb

 

2011 April ...........6starts 4W 2L 2.90 ERA --40.1IP 35h 13er 18k 9bb

2011 Rest of Yr 20starts 8W 9L 5.46ERA 113.2IP 140h 69er 59k 30bb

 

2012 April ....4starts 1W 1L 2.42ERA 22.1IP 15h 6er 9k 8bb

2012 Next 17 starts 8W 6L 5.13ERA 100IP 111h 57er 51k 27bb

Moved to pen after Wandy Rodriguez trade (did get 5 Sept starts that were good).

 

Correia tricks ya into believing in him in April but is well below league average after that. This is a reason he wears out his welcome quickly IMO. He's already hypnotized many Twins fans/media/manager but their will be a drastic fall that is already happenning.

 

The only thing I can say... I went through all of his starts game by game... It made me feel better.

 

If the wheels come off... They come off... It could happen but I'm not gonna build a bomb shelter just yet.

[gunnarthor]

What do you want Gardy to say? "He's not really a good pitcher but that's all Ryan gave me?" If Gardy criticizes a player in the press, the board lights up and accuses him of throwing someone under the bus. If he encourages a guy through the press, we get posts like this.

[TheLeviathan]

What do you want Gardy to say? "He's not really a good pitcher but that's all Ryan gave me?" If Gardy criticizes a player in the press, the board lights up and accuses him of throwing someone under the bus. If he encourages a guy through the press, we get posts like this.

 

There is no in-between? I don't have a problem with what Gardy said here, but there have been some signs that Correia is becoming more of a pet than I'm comfortable with.

[raindog]

Meh. With how our pitching has been the past couple years...I'll take it.

 

He probably is turning back into a pumpkin, but I appreciate that he hasn't been horrible so far.

[gunnarthor]

There is no in-between? I don't have a problem with what Gardy said here, but there have been some signs that Correia is becoming more of a pet than I'm comfortable with.

 

I guess you guys are getting a lot more out of one sentence than I am. He's apparently Gardy's new favorite and his pet. And here I thought he was just a professional pitcher.

[TheLeviathan]

I guess you guys are getting a lot more out of one sentence than I am. He's apparently Gardy's new favorite and his pet. And here I thought he was just a professional pitcher.

 

The pet part comes from the string of post-game comments about KC from Gardy since the season started. I hope we don't have to establish that Gardy gets himself into some silly favorites - Blackburn would be a noticeable one too in recent years.

 

How about him simply saying "Correia threw us a nice game tonight. We'd really like to see him consistently give us that kind of effort"

 

It'd fit with the organization's meme too.

[gunnarthor]

The pet part comes from the string of post-game comments about KC from Gardy since the season started. I hope we don't have to establish that Gardy gets himself into some silly favorites - Blackburn would be a noticeable one too in recent years.

 

How about him simply saying "Correia threw us a nice game tonight. We'd really like to see him consistently give us that kind of effort"

 

It'd fit with the organization's meme too.

 

Meh. Last time I got into a discussion about how stupid fan theories on Gardy favorites was, Brock banned me. So, I'll just say I find it hard to believe positive post game comments about our best starting pitching are anything other than normal manager speak and do not suggest any thing other than that.

[TheLeviathan]

Meh. Last time I got into a discussion about how stupid fan theories on Gardy favorites was, Brock banned me. So, I'll just say I find it hard to believe positive post game comments about our best starting pitching are anything other than normal manager speak and do not suggest any thing other than that.

 

And as I said, I don't personally have a problem with this particular comment, though I think they are a bit too favorable considering his overall performance of late. Your problem is that you would support human sacrifice if the Twins did it and any reasonable suggestion about a better way to handle things you'd reject.

 

He doesn't have to be this glowing in his praise, especially about a veteran. And it'd be real nice if the organization was consistent in their expectations. (And yes, I use consistent there quite specifically)

[greengoblinrulz]

Ill give Correia credit for what he has done.....pitched 70 innings in 11 starts over first 53gms. If he gives 210 over the year, he fills a need for sure.

But, he never has done a deuce & has only gotten over 171 once (198).

He was good for 5 starts, bad for 6 starts.....best Twins have seen in awhile from a righty.

[gunnarthor]

And as I said, I don't personally have a problem with this particular comment, though I think they are a bit too favorable considering his overall performance of late. Your problem is that you would support human sacrifice if the Twins did it and any reasonable suggestion about a better way to handle things you'd reject.

 

He doesn't have to be this glowing in his praise, especially about a veteran. And it'd be real nice if the organization was consistent in their expectations. (And yes, I use consistent there quite specifically)

 

Yep, that's me. I'm all for human sacrifice. :shoot:

[TheLeviathan]

Yep, that's me. I'm all for human sacrifice. :shoot:

 

Anything to defend the Twins right? To date, I've yet to see something stop you from doing it. I'm not sure where that line comes in.

[Riverbrian]

Ill give Correia credit for what he has done.....pitched 70 innings in 11 starts over first 53gms. If he gives 210 over the year, he fills a need for sure.

But, he never has done a deuce & has only gotten over 171 once (198).

He was good for 5 starts, bad for 6 starts.....best Twins have seen in awhile from a righty.

 

I know that I have lessened expectations... It's baby steps to me... If we can just get to average... That's all I'm asking... For Now.

 

If we are still only average in 3 years... I'll probably throw something angrily or at least stomp my feet hard.

 

With Correia... He's been worth the cash so far... I hope I can still say that in August.

[jokin]

Yeah, geez. He's been almost as crappy as Marcum.

 

Bird, bird, bird...you got yourself in too deep on this one.

 

How about we compare Marcum's and Correia's numbers for May/June?--- since that's the topic of the thread---and---very important and relevant, since Marcum missed most of ST and is just now getting fully healthy and stretched out.

 

Correia 6.09 ERA/ 4.81 FIP/ 1.60 WHIP/ .351 OBA/ 3.62 K*9/ 2.20 K*BB

 

Marcum 5.35 ERA/ 3.23 FIP/ 1.25 WHIP/ .268 OBA/ 8.15 K*9/ 4.57 K*BB

 

The trend is clearly Marcum's friend- and it's not even close, and don't forget, Correia backed out of pitching against Detroit last Saturday, or these comp numbers for him could easily be worse

[jokin]

And as I said, I don't personally have a problem with this particular comment, though I think they are a bit too favorable considering his overall performance of late. Your problem is that you would support human sacrifice if the Twins did it and any reasonable suggestion about a better way to handle things you'd reject.

 

He doesn't have to be this glowing in his praise, especially about a veteran. And it'd be real nice if the organization was consistent in their expectations. (And yes, I use consistent there quite specifically)

 

I thought Caleb Thielbar deserved some praise, but assuming that didn't happen, it's likely because he's about to be sent back to Rochester.

 

Interesting stats from the radio, Correia leads the league in first inning HRs allowed and runs scored.

[IdahoPilgrim]

I see where gunnathor is coming from and his initial comment is, I think, quite valid. If we're going to be critiquing the manager on every nuance of post-game comments, it will be a standard that is impossible to satisfy. Personally, I'd rather he err on the side of being too positive than being too negative, but that's just me.

 

And talking about human sacrifice, even in jest, detracts from the quality of this thread, it doesn't add to it.

[snepp]

Interesting stats from the radio, Correia leads the league in first inning HRs allowed and runs scored.

 

Twins have allowed a 1.029 OPS in the first inning, nearly 100 points higher than the next worst (Astros).

 

Correia is just providing that vital consistency.

[TheLeviathan]

With Correia... He's been worth the cash so far... I hope I can still say that in August.

 

I'm with you in prayer for this. But add to that hope that if is is still worth it, we move him at that value.

[nicksaviking]

What do you want Gardy to say? "He's not really a good pitcher but that's all Ryan gave me?" If Gardy criticizes a player in the press, the board lights up and accuses him of throwing someone under the bus. If he encourages a guy through the press, we get posts like this.

 

Correia was not nearly terrible enough today for me to get worked up over, though he was facing the Mariners.

 

However I think the underlying issue is actually the contradiction brough up in your post. If Liam Hendriks does today what Correia did, Gardy would have been throwing around phrases like, "He has a few things to work on," and he certainly wouldn't have thrown out the, "He deserved to go out there for the 7th," line which he did in his postgame speach to the media.

 

If Gardy is allowed to play Gods and Goats, surely we as fans can too.

[ashbury]

Last time I got into a discussion about how stupid fan theories on Gardy favorites was, Brock banned me.

 

Read that sentence again, if you are still in the dark about bannination; there's a word there that stands out, my brother.

[Highabove]

I thought Caleb Thielbar deserved some praise, but assuming that didn't happen, it's likely because he's about to be sent back to Rochester.

 

Interesting stats from the radio, Correia leads the league in first inning HRs allowed and runs scored.

 

Actually, Gardinhire did make a reference to Thielbar. (Even got the ball for his first win. We're celebrating that too.) Gardinhire post game interview.

[big dog]

Congrats to Caleb Thielbar! May this be the first of many more.

[Riverbrian]

There is a part of me that wants to know exactly how Gardy feels about his players.

 

There is also a part of me (out of respect for the player) that wishes he would only be supportive of his players in post game interviews. Saving uncomfortable sentiment for behind close doors.

 

I realize that it is impossible for me to have it both ways.

 

As for Gardy's use of the word Fantastic. I think it's possible that Gardy spoke off the cuff and didnt worry about the exact measurement of the adjective that popped into his head.

 

Once I went to a restaurant with my wife. On the dessert menu was Mango Ice Cream... Never had it before so I tried it. My wife asked me "how's the ice cream" and I said it was "Amazing"!!! My wife looked at me and said... "Really... You are amazed by Ice Cream".

 

I thought about it... I might have been a little over the top on the adjective...

 

But... The Ice Cream was Thumbs Up and I think Correia was Thumbs up today as well.

 

I'll give Gardy a break on being grandiose cuz I've been there myself.

[jokin]

Actually, Gardinhire did make a reference to Thielbar. (Even got the ball for his first win. We're celebrating that too.) Gardinhire post game interview.

 

Glad to hear. Needless to say, he has performed tremendously in his mostly low-leverage situations. He's exceeded my expectations with flying colors. I remain in doubt if they will give him a fair chance to stick this time around- but situations change- I hope he hangs in there- a great story.

[jokin]

I'm with you in prayer for this. But add to that hope that if is is still worth it, we move him at that value.

 

July 31st deadline deal would be the answer to my prayer.

[greengoblinrulz]

4 runs in 6.2IP is not fantastic.....as was Pelfrey's 4er in 5.2IP 2 outings ago which was argued in another thread.

Kevin immediately got the team behind & then again lost the lead back as soon as MN fought to tie it. Gardy woulda blasted other pitchers for this.

Gets frustrating for some that this is the level we take as 'fantastic'/'good enough' these days. Save the accolades for the truly good games.

You can still compliment a player without goin overboard.