2023 Vikings Regular Season Thread

[Aggies7]

40 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Kwesi’s first draft is borderline historically bad - like 2005 Vikings class bad right away. That’s not typical, so if you’re willing to give them 3 draft classes to assess, that should be 5 NFL years to build up something. All of a sudden you’re 7 years in like Derek Falvey and you’re back to getting good press because the rest of the division gave up winning. 

Yeah I mean I wouldn’t cry if they made a GM change. Bottom line is the Vikings will need a ton of picks to fill the holes on both sides of the ball. That’s why I think they’ll have to trade JJ unfortunately. There’s no real point to keep him on a terrible team, outside of giving the fans a reason to show up 

[Vanimal46]

36 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Yeah I mean I wouldn’t cry if they made a GM change. Bottom line is the Vikings will need a ton of picks to fill the holes on both sides of the ball. That’s why I think they’ll have to trade JJ unfortunately. There’s no real point to keep him on a terrible team, outside of giving the fans a reason to show up 

Unless JJ wants out I’m keeping him, no matter what the cost is in the next 1-2 years. Costs will be continue to skyrocket for the premium position players. 

[Aggies7]

8 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Unless JJ wants out I’m keeping him, no matter what the cost is in the next 1-2 years. Costs will be continue to skyrocket for the premium position players. 

One other thing to consider…is he going to be fine with playing for a bad team with a young unknown QB? Premiere guys usually don’t want to be part of a rebuild, if they have a choice 

[Vanimal46]

6 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

One other thing to consider…is he going to be fine with playing for a bad team with a young unknown QB? Premiere guys usually don’t want to be part of a rebuild, if they have a choice 

He’s a bulldog and wants to win… My counter question is can we create enough cap space to sign some players in the first wave of free agency? I am resigning to this being a bad year. However, because of that we will be in good position to draft a QB in a projected deep class this spring. 

[Mike Sixel]

I just don't see anyone trading for Kirk during the year. Who is?... Hunter and Osborn? Yes. If someone will take 22, though I wouldn't as he's done, you deal him too. Deal anyone on defense but pace. 

The first draft was terrible. This one was fine. They need to be better. 

[Aggies7]

11 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I just don't see anyone trading for Kirk during the year. Who is?... Hunter and Osborn? Yes. If someone will take 22, though I wouldn't as he's done, you deal him too. Deal anyone on defense but pace. 

The first draft was terrible. This one was fine. They need to be better. 

Every week that goes by it’s less likely to happen. But man there are some rough QBs out there. We dodged a bullet not getting Jimmy G. 
 

 

[Aggies7]

Which state had a worse football weekend? Colorado or Minnesota?

[nicksaviking]

10 hours ago, Aggies7 said:

One other thing to consider…is he going to be fine with playing for a bad team with a young unknown QB? Premiere guys usually don’t want to be part of a rebuild, if they have a choice 

It should be a quick rebuild just by the fact they already have Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson and the two starting tackles. Really just need to get that high draft pick to find the QB of the future and use the rookie contract savings to plug up the interior of the O Line.

Obviously the defense is a mess, but plenty of teams are competitive while the defense is a work in progress. Like, say the 2022 Minnesota Vikings.

[nicksaviking]

9 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

I just don't see anyone trading for Kirk during the year. Who is?... Hunter and Osborn? Yes. If someone will take 22, though I wouldn't as he's done, you deal him too. Deal anyone on defense but pace. 

The first draft was terrible. This one was fine. They need to be better. 

I don't either, but watching the Steelers game last night, they'd be a Super Bowl favorite if they had Cousins. That defense is fantastic, Cousins wouldn't have to be the 'leader' type, just get the ball to all of their playmakers. Pickett isn't very good at that.

[Aggies7]

I’m still sore after yesterday’s debacle. I mean, that was an all time boneheaded decision by the chargers to go for it on 4th down at the 20ish when the Vikings were out of timeouts. Probably would have cost Staley his job had they lost. And they STILL couldn’t score. Pathetic. If they lose to the abysmal panthers this weekend, they really would be in the mix for a top 3-5 pick

[Aggies7]

35 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I don't either, but watching the Steelers game last night, they'd be a Super Bowl favorite if they had Cousins. That defense is fantastic, Cousins wouldn't have to be the 'leader' type, just get the ball to all of their playmakers. Pickett isn't very good at that.

There are numerous teams who would be so much better with even average QB play. Watching that game last night, Jimmy G is not good. The jets are abysmal with Wilson. The Steelers are hampered by Pickett. We’ll see if Tampa can go 3-0 with mayfield tonight 

[Vanimal46]

47 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I don't either, but watching the Steelers game last night, they'd be a Super Bowl favorite if they had Cousins. That defense is fantastic, Cousins wouldn't have to be the 'leader' type, just get the ball to all of their playmakers. Pickett isn't very good at that.

Kirk to Pittsburgh has made sense for several years IMO.

The stars are aligning, IMO to get a move done. The Jets are still in a good spot at 1-2. Talk about a Super Bowl caliber defense… They are losing specifically because Zach Wilson is a very bad QB. I completely agree with your assessment of the Steelers. Ridder isn’t good in Atlanta and they may want to upgrade. 

[gunnarthor]

I don't know the answer to this but how easy would it be for Cousins to go to Pittsburgh on Tuesday and be game ready Sunday with the new playbook? I'm sure it's happened but I can't remember a lot of in-season trades for starting QBs. Or does Pittsburgh decide to lose draft capital and take a "L" on Sunday? Seems risky. Especially since Pickett was a first round pick himself and Cousins only has a year left.

[Mike Sixel]

2 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

It should be a quick rebuild just by the fact they already have Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson and the two starting tackles. Really just need to get that high draft pick to find the QB of the future and use the rookie contract savings to plug up the interior of the O Line.

Obviously the defense is a mess, but plenty of teams are competitive while the defense is a work in progress. Like, say the 2022 Minnesota Vikings.

Agreed. The offense is fixable, or more accurately, maintainable, in a year if they get the right QB

[Mike Sixel]

3 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

I don't either, but watching the Steelers game last night, they'd be a Super Bowl favorite if they had Cousins. That defense is fantastic, Cousins wouldn't have to be the 'leader' type, just get the ball to all of their playmakers. Pickett isn't very good at that.

Sure, but the NFL is the most conservative sport of them all. They still punt all the time. They still don't go for two often. They rarely even trade for guys in the off season. If a team ever embraced being aggressive, they'd have an advantage.

[nicksaviking]

4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Sure, but the NFL is the most conservative sport of them all. They still punt all the time. They still don't go for two often. They rarely even trade for guys in the off season. If a teeny ever embraced being aggressive, they'd have an advantage.

Oh for sure. 

And if I had to think of a list of teams that would aggressively try to chase a QB mid-season, Pittsburg would be toward the bottom of that list. They tend to like to try to work around their problems instead of replacing them.

[Mike Sixel]

One of my biggest disappointments is that the coach didn't learn from last year.....on third and short, get the first down. Don't throw bombs. Seriously. Ball possession. It really is mind bogglingly bad.

[Danchat]

3 hours ago, gunnarthor said:

I don't know the answer to this but how easy would it be for Cousins to go to Pittsburgh on Tuesday and be game ready Sunday with the new playbook? I'm sure it's happened but I can't remember a lot of in-season trades for starting QBs. Or does Pittsburgh decide to lose draft capital and take a "L" on Sunday? Seems risky. Especially since Pickett was a first round pick himself and Cousins only has a year left.

Nope, there's no way they are giving up on Pickett this early into Year 2. They're the last franchise to make a huge shift at QB on a whim.

2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

One of my biggest disappointments is that the coach didn't learn from last year.....on third and short, get the first down. Don't throw bombs. Seriously. Ball possession. It really is mind bogglingly bad.

Yup, that has been infuriating. O'Connell was livid with Kirk after that one 3rd and 3 where he threw it deep and missed, and it looked like Osborn was open for a 4-5 yard gain.

[Aggies7]

There’s not a team I hate more than the eagles. Not even the packers. And baker looks like baker and not the magician we made him out to be 

[Mike Sixel]

18 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

There’s not a team I hate more than the eagles. Not even the packers. And baker looks like baker and not the magician we made him out to be 

shocker. This D has no talent almost. 

[Mike Sixel]

Tampa is the team that should deal for Kirk

[Vanimal46]

Time is of the essence to get Risner and Davenport into the lineup on the minimal chance we can flip them for draft picks at the trade deadline. 

Ed Ingram had a strangely high PFF grade in the Chargers game, but I would still bench him for Risner this week. If Davenport can’t play in the next week or 2 he’s gotta go on in the IR. Or, best case, we just release Davenport and roll over the cap space to next season. 

[nicksaviking]

14 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Time is of the essence to get Risner and Davenport into the lineup on the minimal chance we can flip them for draft picks at the trade deadline. 

Ed Ingram had a strangely high PFF grade in the Chargers game, but I would still bench him for Risner this week. If Davenport can’t play in the next week or 2 he’s gotta go on in the IR. Or, best case, we just release Davenport and roll over the cap space to next season. 

If PFF graded Ingram strongly, that's a knock on PFF. Anyone who watched that game knows he wasn't good.

I'm also not sure how much Davenport would help. It's not like he got the QB ever last year. How the heck does this team only have one sack outside of Danielle Hunter when it blitzes nearly every play?

[Mike Sixel]

5 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

If PFF graded Ingram strongly, that's a knock on PFF. Anyone who watched that game knows he wasn't good.

I'm also not sure how much Davenport would help. It's not like he got the QB ever last year. How the heck does this team only have one sack outside of Danielle Hunter when it blitzes nearly every play?

Terrible talent, and over rated coaching?

[nicksaviking]

The best thing that could happen to this club is get embarrassed by Carolina next week. And I'm not saying that just because I want to get a franchise QB in the draft.

If they lose next week, it should remove any doubt from ownership that this organization went in the completely wrong direction about building a sustainable winning team, which was supposedly the goal when they didn't tear this thing down to the studs last off season.

[gunnarthor]

3 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

If PFF graded Ingram strongly, that's a knock on PFF. Anyone who watched that game knows he wasn't good.

I'm also not sure how much Davenport would help. It's not like he got the QB ever last year. How the heck does this team only have one sack outside of Danielle Hunter when it blitzes nearly every play?

I'm not 100% sure that's true. I remember watching some replays where their defense stunted but Ingram was on someone and our center couldn't pick up the rush. I'm certainly not an expert, but my eye-test was that Ingram had one of his better games while O'Neil struggled a bit more than he usually does. 

[nicksaviking]

Hmmm, forgot the Bears had the Panthers pick next year. Obviously way too early to see how everything will play out, but I'd hate to look back on the season a year from now and realize that the Vikings beating the Panthers delivered Caleb Williams to Chicago.

Either way, Chicago is going to have to royally mess up not to come out of next year's draft with franchise changing players.

[Aggies7]

Welp, looks like the Lions will be kings of the north this year. Laying a beatdown on the cheese

[Aggies7]

1 hour ago, Aggies7 said:

Welp, looks like the Lions will be kings of the north this year. Laying a beatdown on the cheese

Oh but the Lions remembered that they are still the Lions, and they’re trying to Lion this game away 

[Aggies7]

20 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Oh but the Lions remembered that they are still the Lions, and they’re trying to Lion this game away 

Nevermind