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22 minutes ago, Nashvilletwin said:

 My fellow TDers, the entire trade deadline discussion is moot.  It presumes we a) have sufficient assets to trade for b) a player or two who can really move the dial.

Here is the sad truth: other than Gray, we do not have a single tradable asset that would bring back a true dial mover. Even a package of players who might be considered to be traded would not bring back much.

Who are the other candidates:

Lewis, Lee, ERod, or Jenkins - not gonna happen.

Wallner, Larnach, Julien - they can’t even beat out Kepler, Gallo, Farmer, Castro or Solano according to our FO; how much could they bring back?

Kepler, Gallo, Polanco, Vasquez - poor play, injury and/or contract.

Correa, Buxton - we could only wish.

Jeffers, Kiriloff - our core part of our next young core.

All other Twins position players or prospects - not enough value in any of them.

Ryan, Lopez, Ober - the core staff for many years to come.

Maeda - not very good and injury risk.

Winder, Varland - critical 2023 depth, decent option value going forward, but not a lot of standalone value.

Festa, Raya, Soto - possible, if we were “one player away”, but we aren’t, so not yet.

All the rest of our pitchers except Jax and Stewart - no value.

Let’s just take the FO’s comments at face value - this will (thankfully) be a boring trade deadline.  We are not good enough to go all in by trading our top prospects and we aren’t deep enough in true prospects or performing major leaguers to make any significant moves. 

 

 

I’d agree wholeheartedly! Unless we’re tearing it all down or going all in we don’t have the capital to make any big moves. Improve on the fringes and cross your fingers.

Posted
24 minutes ago, Elite Benchwarmer said:

I'd go all in for Bellinger.  Adding an athletic, power-hitting centerfielder would make a huge difference this year.  They could also really use a quality bullpen addition.

Would the Cubs go for Larnach or Wallner plus maybe our 3rd/4th best pitching prospect? 

Admittedly I'm a Twins optimist, but I think with this pitching staff they can have an impact in the post-season.

Love!!! I said this the other day in a different thread. Bellinger is the perfect move for this team! Reverse split LH bat. Power. Can play multiple positions. Former MVP. Youngish. Rental. Checks all the boxes and can probably be had for a prospect or 2 that’s not in your top 5-10. Bellinger and a LH reliever and let it ride. About all we can do

Posted
4 hours ago, ashbury said:

He had a memorable impact in the post-season.  Tie-breaker RBI in the first game against Detroit just about pays for itself.  Then there's Game 6 in the World Series.  That's small sample size and no one will claim it was a certainty before it happened.  But it worked out fantastically and I'm glad we got him.

I like to pretend 1988 didn't happen for him, and he capped off a fine career with that performance at the end of '87.

Atlanta got two MVP candidates for nothing.  We would all love someone who has a big impact but costs us nothing.  However, when we contemplate buying most people want a Paul Goldschmidt type player and that has a very significant cost.  That's not what the 87 Twins did.  That was the only point.  People hold up these examples when they actually support a strategy that is quite different than what they are advocating.   Baylor was having a very poor year.  Is that what people want for additions.  We already have a bunch of guys playing poorly.

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I do believe that the Dodgers are looking for pitching... 

 

Would be smart to move Gray and Meata... would guess they would be interested in pitching... getting back the best possible prospects at this point would be a win... 

We clearly are spinning our wheels in the sand... 

 

Posted
5 hours ago, TNtwins85 said:

So trade our pitchers for prospects? Trade Kiriloff, Kepler, Solano, Castro, and Jeffers for prospects and hope in 2-3 years? Those guys and our pitchers are all I see that anybody would give us anything for. I might be for that if we won 50% of those trades over the long term. Gotta sell that plan to the season ticket holders though.

Who said any of this? No one. 

Posted

McCutchen is having a very good comeback year, but I think he's in Pittsburgh to stay this time. Maybe we could add another bullpen arm, such as Garrett from the Royals, but I really don't think the Twins need to be trading any type of quality prospects for a hope and prayer at this point. I think we just need to be patient and roll with what we have ... and hope for a miracle or two!

Posted
15 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Who said any of this? No one. 

This was a conversation between myself and terredactyls. So to your point there was exactly 2 people talking about this. 2 more people than you claimed there was. Follow the thread before becoming an instant expert maybe.

Posted
1 hour ago, TNtwins85 said:

This was a conversation between myself and terredactyls. So to your point there was exactly 2 people talking about this. 2 more people than you claimed there was. Follow the thread before becoming an instant expert maybe.

Well, anyone suggesting trading Jeffers makes zero sense. Nice snark though. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

Well, anyone suggesting trading Jeffers makes zero sense. Nice snark though. 

Well you’re still not following the context of the original conversation. You refuse to read previous posts while just posting your own snarky comments. So I guess I have no other choice but to explain this to you as if you’re a child walking in during the middle of a movie. Person A suggested trading anybody you could get a good deal on to play for next year instead of trying to take advantage of this year. Person B suggested that they should take advantage of this pitching staff by maybe adding 1-2 low level guys and make moves on the fringes maybe. Posing the point that we really don’t have the depth in the minors or majors to make the type of moves that this team perhaps should make if they’re going all in. Person A then suggested that they should listen on everybody and build for the future. Person B floated the idea that in order to get mlb ready prospects the team (Twins) would have to trade players that were worth something which would degrade future teams and they would be forced to tear it all down and wait on prospects. Person A and Person B came to a consensus that with the depth the team would either have to completely go for it this year or tear it down and build a better future team. I’m paraphrasing this but something like this happened. Enter Person C (you). Wanders in trying to figure out why one would trade Jeffers. Person C is confused at how this thread had come to this and instead of figuring it out chooses instead to just make comments on one small piece of the conversation calling others snarky all while being irritable themselves. 

Posted
26 minutes ago, TNtwins85 said:

Well you’re still not following the context of the original conversation. ...

It's faintly possible this dialog could be carried out both cordially and better at this point through use of the TD site's Personal Messaging system.  :)

(Oh dear.  Person D just butted in.)

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