Juan Soto

[Doctor Gast]

I was just thinking that since Juan Soto is on the market, it'll keep teams that are pursuing Soto (not the Twins) from committing on frontline SPs until Soto is settled. That plus new teams like MIA & CLE are making their SPs available. All this added competition in selling SPs should help the Twins obtain a desireable SP reasonabally,

What do you think?

[nicksaviking]

This Soto stuff just seems so bizarre to me. Is the new ownership really this unwilling to deal with this? Why would they trade him now? He's still under contract for two seasons after this, I can't imagine his value will dramatically drop, but if they wait until the off season, you might get non-contenders like San Fran, Boston, LA Angles, Detroit and Texas more willing to engage.

[Squirrel]

20 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

This Soto stuff just seems so bizarre to me. Is the new ownership really this unwilling to deal with this? Why would they trade him now? He's still under contract for two seasons after this, I can't imagine his value will dramatically drop, but if they wait until the off season, you might get non-contenders like San Fran, Boston, LA Angles, Detroit and Texas more willing to engage.

Yeah ... makes me leery. Unless they feel they can get higher bidders for him now? Dunno

[Jack Griffin]

19 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Yeah ... makes me leery. Unless they feel they can get higher bidders for him now? Dunno

The sooner they trade him, the more control the acquiring team has, the more value he has

[Vanimal46]

44 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

This Soto stuff just seems so bizarre to me. Is the new ownership really this unwilling to deal with this? Why would they trade him now? He's still under contract for two seasons after this, I can't imagine his value will dramatically drop, but if they wait until the off season, you might get non-contenders like San Fran, Boston, LA Angles, Detroit and Texas more willing to engage.

Reminds me of the Red McCombs situation shipping Randy Moss out of town because he didn’t want to pay his bonus right before the Wilfs took over as owners. 

[nicksaviking]

6 minutes ago, Jack Griffin said:

The sooner they trade him, the more control the acquiring team has, the more value he has

Yeah but how many contenders are really in on him? St. Louis, San Diego, Toronto and the Dodgers? Maybe a couple of other teams. The Yankees just got their outfielder (and not one that I like, so ha ha).

I'd think the gains they'd get from the extra two months control tied to him would be dwarfed by doubling or tripling your bidding pool.

[USAFChief]

6 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Yeah but how many contenders are really in on him? St. Louis, San Diego, Toronto and the Dodgers? Maybe a couple of other teams. The Yankees just got their outfielder (and not one that I like, so ha ha).

I'd think the gains they'd get from the extra two months control tied to him would be dwarfed by doubling or tripling your bidding pool.

Which other teams will be dipping their toes in those waters? In addition to the prospect cost, you have to pay the man. And he's already turned down a contract larger than the GDP of several small nations.

 

[nicksaviking]

3 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Which other teams will be dipping their toes in those waters? In addition to the prospect cost, you have to pay the man. And he's already turned down a contract larger than the GDP of several small nations.

 

Prospect cost is going to be prohibitive, but if he wants to set the market, he's probably going to play out free agency anyway, so you'd be looking at what, a 2 year $50-60M deal for his final arbitration years? Sounds nuts, but not so nuts teams wouldn't willingly do it. Actually sounds like a contract the Twins would be happy to do considering short term commitments are pretty popular these days.

To be clear, the Twins WON'T make that trade, they'd just be willing to do that contract.

[TwinsDr2021]

1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

Prospect cost is going to be prohibitive, but if he wants to set the market, he's probably going to play out free agency anyway, so you'd be looking at what, a 2 year $50-60M deal for his final arbitration years? Sounds nuts, but not so nuts teams wouldn't willingly do it. Actually sounds like a contract the Twins would be happy to do considering short term commitments are pretty popular these days.

To be clear, the Twins WON'T make that trade, they'd just be willing to do that contract.

That would be a perfect contract for the Twins, I agree they Twins wouldn't do it, and I am not sure they have the prospect capital to pull it off without including Ryan and a AK/Miranda/Lewis and others . Yesterday I would have probably said Winder or Ober instead of Ryan but I am not sure those two have that trade value today as they did a week ago.

[nicksaviking]

9 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

That would be a perfect contract for the Twins, I agree they Twins wouldn't do it, and I am not sure they have the prospect capital to pull it off without including Ryan and a AK/Miranda/Lewis and others . Yesterday I would have probably said Winder or Ober instead of Ryan but I am not sure those two have that trade value today as they did a week ago.

Yeah, I don't think the Twins had the prospects to get Soto if they wanted to either.

[Linus]

It will be very interesting to see what the trade package will be. I mean I have no idea what it will take. Especially because it is likely for two years. 

[bunsen82]

6 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Yeah, I don't think the Twins had the prospects to get Soto if they wanted to either.

There is only one theoretical way the Twins could even pull this off and I am not advocating they do it.  I have long said that management primarily looks at the players as assets.  So hypothetically if you could do a 3 way trade that included trading away Correa plus prospects it could make sense for the longterm.  But you would create a gaping hole at SS for this year.  Correa equates to essentially 1 high level prospect.  I still don't think we would have the assets to pull it off.  I also think any assets should be put into pitching rather than hitters.