Here are Three Creative Trade Options to Bolster the Twins Rotation

[Mark G]

6 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

The issue is not your analogy.  The issue is how you have defined the problem.  The Twins need to build an entire staff including a couple front of the rotation types if we are to have a reasonable shot at reaching the playoffs and then having a shot at post season success.  Signing 3 back of the rotation SPs when you don’t have any front of the rotation SPs is a really bad plan.  One, we will be bad.  Two, we will assure this mediocrity continues by minimizing the opportunity to develop the numerous pitching prospects that are ready or will be throughout the course of 2022.  

Wow, I guess I got myself into a firestorm here.  I didn't define anything.  I simply took the premise of the article, which was we needed quantity as much as we needed quality.  Am I missing something here?  Didn't Cody put that right in his article?  I simply said two things:  number one, I don't believe in quantity over quality, I think any team should take the opposite approach.  I also said, if I can only have quantity and not necessarily quality I would go for all of his suggestions instead of just one, assuming the price was reasonable.  Where that came out so wrong is confusing to me, but I will cede to brighter minds than mine.........I guess...........at least this time...........I guess.    

[RpR]

53 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

Stockpiling serviceable veterans while our prospects grow gray beards and we lose out on their best years is the Twins' Way, but I would propose the Twins either go for it now and get the top of the rotation arms they need to compete or don't go for it and find out whether they already have everything they need.

 

Bringing up rookies whose show  best years in the BIg Show, show, they are really just minor league, or maybe back-end Bull Pen pitchers during a time when Baseball  ,due to greed and politics,  is losing spectators and is dangerously close to becoming even more irrelevant on the sport scene, would be foolish.

The owners see they are losing spectators and are NOT going to use the Twins as a extension of AAA baseball to see how many of their rookies wash-out ; they want a team that is on it s worst day .500 and can maybe crawl into a a tail-end play-off game.

To not do so means they lose a lot more money, and to the Pohlads money is the bottom line, period.

[bean5302]

8 hours ago, RpR said:

Bringing up rookies whose show  best years in the BIg Show, show, they are really just minor league, or maybe back-end Bull Pen pitchers during a time when Baseball  ,due to greed and politics,  is losing spectators and is dangerously close to becoming even more irrelevant on the sport scene, would be foolish.

The owners see they are losing spectators and are NOT going to use the Twins as a extension of AAA baseball to see how many of their rookies wash-out ; they want a team that is on it s worst day .500 and can maybe crawl into a a tail-end play-off game.

To not do so means they lose a lot more money, and to the Pohlads money is the bottom line, period.

Got it. Young pitchers who have dominated high minors are no good. Gotta get rid of them and sign some old re-treads to show the Twins are going to compete. Where's Tim Lincecum? We should get him out of retirement! I mean, the Twins only had the 2nd oldest pitching staff in the American League last year... they should go for number 1!

[RpR]

41 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

Got it. Young pitchers who have dominated high minors are no good. Gotta get rid of them and sign some old re-treads to show the Twins are going to compete. Where's Tim Lincecum? We should get him out of retirement! I mean, the Twins only had the 2nd oldest pitching staff in the American League last year... they should go for number 1!

Yep just like those Twins rookies that  were so dominant last year,

 

[Major League Ready]

16 hours ago, RpR said:

Bringing up rookies whose show  best years in the BIg Show, show, they are really just minor league, or maybe back-end Bull Pen pitchers during a time when Baseball  ,due to greed and politics,  is losing spectators and is dangerously close to becoming even more irrelevant on the sport scene, would be foolish.

The owners see they are losing spectators and are NOT going to use the Twins as a extension of AAA baseball to see how many of their rookies wash-out ; they want a team that is on it s worst day .500 and can maybe crawl into a a tail-end play-off game.

To not do so means they lose a lot more money, and to the Pohlads money is the bottom line, period.

You are contradicting how literally every successful mid and small market team is built.  Take a look at how Oakland, Tampa, and Cleveland built successful teams.  The approach you advocate is a good way to  sustain mediocrity or worse and occasional bump up against the fringe of contention.  

[Riverbrian]

The only way the Twins can build a competitive rotation will be through the farm system. Trading any of our farm arms for one year of below average veteran starters would be tragic. 

Ober, Ryan, Dobnak, Thorpe, Balazovic, Jax, Duran, Strotman, Winder, Sands and Vallimont are all on the 40 man roster.

Having that many arms at this stage of their career on the 40 man roster should tell everyone what the plan is. The young arms are not only coming but already here. 

It will be quantity to search for quality and I think they will find some. 

[nicksaviking]

10 hours ago, RpR said:

Yep just like those Twins rookies that  were so dominant last year,

 

Seems to me all dominant players are rookies at some point in their career.

[RpR]

1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

Seems to me all dominant players are rookies at some point in their career.

So what?

The majority were brought up because the coaches were eighty percent sure they belonged in the Big Show, not to see how good or bad they were.

[twinstalker]

I like the Freeland experiment, pretty much done with the Weaver family, and Odorizzi does little for me but obviously would be better than what they have now.  I'm not giving up anybody, really, for any of these guys.  I'd probably give them Wander Javier-type value.

[bean5302]

15 hours ago, RpR said:

Yep just like those Twins rookies that  were so dominant last year,

 

Ober and Ryan did pretty damn well, man. Ober was arguably as good as Berrios over the last 10 starts. Joe Ryan pitched very well, too. Solid back end of the rotation arms at least with a ceiling of mid rotation... just the like much more expensive, and likely not as good veterans in this article.

[Joey P]

I like that Weaver guy. He has a ton of movement. Not sure we can afford the injury risk though