Strib's JoeC: Brett Myers' Agent says Twins "perhaps very interested"

[notoriousgod71]

Ryan must not be aware of Myers' personal history. We don't take people who aren't model citizens.

 

But then again I guess his abysmal K rate overrides anything else.

[beckmt]

We still need to put a team that can win games on the field this year to put fans in the seats(not just the season ticket holders). I cheap 3.5 mil option even for one year will help. Anyone on this post who believes that Twins can catch more than one lightning in a bottle with the return of the minor league FA's starting pitchers is dreaming. Twins still need to sign 2 better FA pitchers or more likely make a couple of trades.

[Alex]

Last week's Gleeman and the Geek (EP 68) explains as well as any I've heard about why we as fans gets frustrated by every move the Twins make like this, or don't make that we see other teams. At about the 1 hour mark, they discuss how the Twins not revealing their estimated payroll and saying money isn't important is far more frustrating to fans. It definitely applies to the discussion here and the fact that people are splitting hairs about Doumit's 3.5M/year contract (seriously, a great value).

[jorgenswest]

The budget is not the reason I am concerned about the Twins adding players to a bad team that are highly likely to decline.

 

They need to build a foundation and then add. Veteran players are an attempt to patch a crumbling foundation. You know the patch won't last long and will weaken over time. The patch does make things look a little better today.

 

Adding veterans to a 2010 Twins team makes more sense.

[Alex]

The budget is not the reason I am concerned about the Twins adding players to a bad team that are highly likely to decline.

 

They need to build a foundation and then add. Veteran players are an attempt to patch a crumbling foundation. You know the patch won't last long and will weaken over time. The patch does make things look a little better today.

 

Adding veterans to a 2010 Twins team makes more sense.

 

Sorry, but it's an incomplete analogy.

 

What's the alternative to cheap veterans as stop gaps? AAA lifers in full time roles in the majors? These positions need to be filled. Building a foundation and adding veterans are not mutually exclusive and can be accomplished at the same time.

 

When these vets are signed for a couple million dollars, nothing is harmed. Also, Twins at least need to build some semblance of competitiveness unless they want Target Field to be a ghost stadium in year four.

[Brock Beauchamp]

The budget is not the reason I am concerned about the Twins adding players to a bad team that are highly likely to decline.

 

They need to build a foundation and then add. Veteran players are an attempt to patch a crumbling foundation. You know the patch won't last long and will weaken over time. The patch does make things look a little better today.

 

Adding veterans to a 2010 Twins team makes more sense.

 

So what should they do? Not spend the money and give ABs to Drew Butera? What does that accomplish?

[Shane Wahl]

I would much rather give Myers and incentive-laden deal with an option for 2014 than to give 3 years and XX millions to Blanton, et al. I just hope Marcum is the top pitcher signed and Myers is the second pitcher signed. That would actually satisfy me enough for the offseason in terms of starting pitching.

[jorgenswest]

The budget is not the reason I am concerned about the Twins adding players to a bad team that are highly likely to decline.

 

They need to build a foundation and then add. Veteran players are an attempt to patch a crumbling foundation. You know the patch won't last long and will weaken over time. The patch does make things look a little better today.

 

Adding veterans to a 2010 Twins team makes more sense.

 

So what should they do? Not spend the money and give ABs to Drew Butera? What does that accomplish?

 

I believe we are back where we started.

 

My comment on Myers was to sign him to a one year deal and flip him at the trade deadline. That is what I would have done with Doumit instead of extending him.

[Bark's Lounge]

If the Twins sign Brett Myers, to me it would be a much better signing than Jason Marquis. If Myers fails as a starter, he has proven he can be an effective reliever, unlike Marquis.

 

On the opposite side of the coin he has pitched mostly in the Senior Circuit and he could suck to the utmost degree in the AL (disregarding his okay 2 months with the White Sox this past summer).

 

All of what I have just written is probably all for not. If Jeremy Guthrie can get 25M over 3 years, I would guess that some team will pay him 11-14M over 2 years. Will that team be the Twins? Do you want that team to be the Twins?

 

My prediction is that he signs elsewhere @ 13M over 2 years.

[Alex]

The budget is not the reason I am concerned about the Twins adding players to a bad team that are highly likely to decline.

 

They need to build a foundation and then add. Veteran players are an attempt to patch a crumbling foundation. You know the patch won't last long and will weaken over time. The patch does make things look a little better today.

 

Adding veterans to a 2010 Twins team makes more sense.

 

So what should they do? Not spend the money and give ABs to Drew Butera? What does that accomplish?

 

I believe we are back where we started.

 

My comment on Myers was to sign him to a one year deal and flip him at the trade deadline. That is what I would have done with Doumit instead of extending him.

 

That's fair, but do we know what was offered for Doumit prior to the trade deadline? What do you think he was worth? I personally don't believe the the Twins could have gotten much for him and that his contract is a good one for the Twins and his skillset fits in pretty well with the team.

[Brock Beauchamp]

The budget is not the reason I am concerned about the Twins adding players to a bad team that are highly likely to decline.

 

They need to build a foundation and then add. Veteran players are an attempt to patch a crumbling foundation. You know the patch won't last long and will weaken over time. The patch does make things look a little better today.

 

Adding veterans to a 2010 Twins team makes more sense.

 

So what should they do? Not spend the money and give ABs to Drew Butera? What does that accomplish?

 

I believe we are back where we started.

 

My comment on Myers was to sign him to a one year deal and flip him at the trade deadline. That is what I would have done with Doumit instead of extending him.

 

Doumit's value was very low at the deadline. While teams need a backup catcher that can hit, no team is going to fall over themselves to trade much of anything for a three month rental of said backup catcher. Look at what the Twins got for Liriano. Halve that and there's your return on Doumit.

 

And at that point, why bother? If you can extend that guy, you do it because his value as a three month rental is minimal and he fills a need on your team. As an added bonus, if you trade him the following year, his value will be higher.

[jorgenswest]

I look forward to the return.

[snepp]

Doumit is worth more to the Twins under his current contract than any anemic return they would have received in a trade.

[Brandon]

Myers is worth a 2 year 18 million contract. If the Twins can get him signed and then trade a CF for another starting pitcher then we are only one more starting pitcher away from a rotation.

[Alex]

I look forward to the return.

 

 

Even if you are right, is 3.5M *2 that big of a deal? It's one thing to argue the Twins should have traded Willingham or Morneau but Doumit's return and contract are far more insignificant.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I look forward to the return.

 

 

Even if you are right, is 3.5M *2 that big of a deal? It's one thing to argue the Twins should have traded Willingham or Morneau but Doumit's return and contract are far more insignificant.

 

Yep. This team already has enough Esmerling Vasquezes. We don't need more of that player.

 

And that's what the return on Doumit would have been at the deadline.

[Cody Christie]

Can't say I would be excited by Myers signing with the Twins but it seems like the kind of move they would make. I wonder if there are more teams interested in him now that this story was widely reported??

[Boom Boom]

No thanks to Myers.

 

We're talking about giving a year with an option (or even 2 years?) to a guy who's been a mediocre starter in the NL and has since been converted to a reliever. And since becoming a reliever, his K/9 has actually decreased.

 

I know the Astros have been a poorly run organization recently, but they know this guy better than the Twins do... and the Astros didn't want Myers in their awful rotation.

[beckmt]

Astro's use of Myers was very different. They wanted to see what pitchers could turn out to be useful in the future, Myers was better in the bullpen and they could get a better return for him using him in that role. If Myers is the cheapest of the FA starting pitchers the Twins signed, I think this could be a good move. Reason Twins are so high on his list is that he could be used as a starter.

[TheLeviathan]

2 years and 7M for Myers? Oof, the difference between reality and pre-offseason speculation continues to grow!

[Alex]

Myers has been a fly ball pitcher in hitters' parks. His k/bb ratio is good and he strikes out more hitters than most Twins pitchers. Looking at him more closely, I actually think he might be a decent fit for the Twins in Target Field. Obviously there are risks involved and his last season could be a bad sign or it could be a pitcher in a role he's not used to, or it could be a good thing not a lot of mileage went onto his arm. If they can get him for $5-6M for no more than two years it wouldn't be a terrible signing, though I'd agree I'd hope they'd still get another pitcher or two.