Article: Twins 6, Mariners 2: Berrios Cruises, Gimenez Bruises

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Not about Romero, but --

 

When a certain player gets called out as deserving a promotion, we often hear "the club knows what's best for these guys, maybe there is a specific thing they are working on with a specific coach, etc."

 

But then it seems to apply across the board to everyone, and we hear generically that "the club doesn't move up guys until midseason, after the draft."

 

I believe the former is a pretty rare circumstance, and the latter is the most common case, but it's not a terribly inspiring way to run a club, even acknowledging that a lot of clubs do it.

 

There are basically 8 pitchers at AA who have a good case to get a test at AA, and very few guys at AAA who seem to be earning a spot there, much less deserve any consideration for a MLB spot appearance.  Seems kinda silly to hold every single one of those AA guys back until July, just because of the calendar or because it would require finding some org filler to backfill their vacated spot.

I mean, that's fair, but there has to be some kind of opportunity cost at play here as well. You want to keep your MiLB clubs happy so you don't just throw darts at a board when acquiring org filler. Someone has to go out there, dig into the options, and spend the time making it all work.

 

Whereas if you just wait a few weeks, the only thing you need to worry about is who to cut, not who to acquire.

 

In the case of Gonsalves, I think the team might make an exception if he was destroying the league. But really, he's been good and only has six starts on the season. He's not even averaging 6.0 IP per start. He's also returning from injury.

 

Is that a guy you spend energy on to make sure he jumps a level and reorganize some of your MiLB pieces while your entire organization is focused on something much more important (the draft)? I'm not sure it is.

 

As we all know from our daily lives, some things simply don't get done in the here and now due to larger priorities at hand. If Gonsalves was truly forcing the issue, I could see more legitimacy in questioning why he's not in Rochester.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I mean, that's fair, but there has to be some kind of opportunity cost at play here as well. You want to keep your MiLB clubs happy so you don't just throw darts at a board when acquiring org filler. Someone has to go out there, dig into the options, and spend the time making it all work.

 

Whereas if you just wait a few weeks, the only thing you need to worry about is who to cut, not who to acquire.

 

In the case of Gonsalves, I think the team might make an exception if he was destroying the league. But really, he's been good and only has six starts on the season. He's not even averaging 6.0 IP per start. He's also returning from injury.

 

Is that a guy you spend energy on to make sure he jumps a level and reorganize some of your MiLB pieces while your entire organization is focused on something much more important (the draft)? I'm not sure it is.

 

As we all know from our daily lives, some things simply don't get done in the here and now due to larger priorities at hand. If Gonsalves was truly forcing the issue, I could see more legitimacy in questioning why he's not in Rochester.

 

Promoting 1 guy means you have to reorganize your minor league system? that's a new one.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I mean, that's fair, but there has to be some kind of opportunity cost at play here as well. You want to keep your MiLB clubs happy so you don't just throw darts at a board when acquiring org filler. Someone has to go out there, dig into the options, and spend the time making it all work.

 

Whereas if you just wait a few weeks, the only thing you need to worry about is who to cut, not who to acquire.

 

In the case of Gonsalves, I think the team might make an exception if he was destroying the league. But really, he's been good and only has six starts on the season. He's not even averaging 6.0 IP per start. He's also returning from injury.

 

Is that a guy you spend energy on to make sure he jumps a level and reorganize some of your MiLB pieces while your entire organization is focused on something much more important (the draft)? I'm not sure it is.

 

As we all know from our daily lives, some things simply don't get done in the here and now due to larger priorities at hand. If Gonsalves was truly forcing the issue, I could see more legitimacy in questioning why he's not in Rochester.

Gonsalves is one guy.  There are 7 others at AA with solid cases for a AAA promotion as well.  And I'm not talking about promoting all of them at once, or even half of them, to the point where affiliates would really notice.  Are you telling me not one of them is worth moving up to AAA before July?

 

As far as replacements, there are several at AAA with solid cases for a demotion to AA.   Heck, we just traded Wheeler for cash and cut Chapman, either of those guys could have been assigned to AA instead, if finding replacements was really a concern.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Promoting 1 guy means you have to reorganize your minor league system? that's a new one.

Are we talking about one guy here? And, be frank here, what has Gonsalves done to warrant a promotion? Before last night, he pitched games of 6.0, 5.0, and 5.0 innings. He has only six starts on the season, including last night.

 

And all of this happened during the middle of the draft, when pretty much everyone involved has other matters on their mind.

 

If Gonsalves spends another month in the minors, I'll be irritated as well. He should get a promotion soon but with everything else going on in this organization, are we really making a fuss about a guy coming back from injury who hasn't been able to average 6.0 IP per start in AA?

[howieramone2]

 

Gonsalves is one guy.  There are 7 others at AA with solid cases for a AAA promotion as well.  And I'm not talking about promoting all of them at once, or even half of them, to the point where affiliates would really notice.  Are you telling me not one of them is worth moving up to AAA before July?

 

As far as replacements, there are several at AAA with solid cases for a demotion to AA.   Heck, we just traded Wheeler for cash and cut Chapman, either of those guys could have been assigned to AA instead, if finding replacements was really a concern.

If he doesn't I will. Calm down it's 2 weeks.

[Mike Sixel]

 

If he doesn't I will. Calm down it's 2 weeks.

 

Well, it wasn't 2 weeks 4 weeks ago.

 

And, if it is only 2 weeks, what are we expecting them to learn in that time?

 

Remember when Berrios wasn't ready, and then he made 1 more start, and all of a sudden he was? That seems, unlikely.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

If he doesn't I will. Calm down it's 2 weeks.

July is 2 weeks from today, but the parameters of the situation have been in place for a month-plus already (and some of its ill effects may already be visible at the MLB level).

 

And as baseball discussions go, this one is plenty calm, thanks.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Looks like Southern League all-star game is this coming Tuesday June 20.  I guess even the calendar theory should produce some movement very soon.  (Although it would have been nice to give a couple of those guys a better shot at the AAA all-star game in July, or even to help the MLB club by then...)

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

July is 2 weeks from today, but the parameters of the situation have been in place for a month-plus already (and some of its ill effects may already be visible at the MLB level).

 

And as baseball discussions go, this one is plenty calm, thanks.

To be clear, my opinions are of Gonsalves and/or Romero, not their plethora of bullpen options.

 

I don't understand what's happening with the bullpen right now.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Promoting 1 guy means you have to reorganize your minor league system? that's a new one.

 

It does actually...  and your 40 man roster in this scenario.  Every guy that goes up means someone below goes up and someone above gets DFAd.  These aren't decisions that get made on a whim, and they are often made after the draft/minor league ASB for that reason. 

 

I do not get the consternation about bringing Gonsalves up after a few starts (several of which were not impressive) after being out for a couple months due to injury.  He will come up eventually, and a couple more starts until the org is ready for this is hardly going to be detrimental to anything but our patience.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

 

 

I don't understand what's happening with the bullpen right now.

 

I think on this, we all agree.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

It does actually...  and your 40 man roster in this scenario.  Every guy that goes up means someone below goes up and someone above gets DFAd. 

We're primarily talking about promotions to AAA here, so 40-man is irrelevant.

 

Could be as simple as moving a guy up from AA to AAA, and simultaneously moving a guy down from AAA to AA.  They've already moved guys down from AAA to AA to rotate more scrap heap guys into the AAA mix, it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to do it again to move a solid performer or two up from AA.  Gonsalves for Pino?  Bard or Curtiss for Mickolio or Wimmers?

[Mike Sixel]

 

It does actually...  and your 40 man roster in this scenario.  Every guy that goes up means someone below goes up and someone above gets DFAd.  These aren't decisions that get made on a whim, and they are often made after the draft/minor league ASB for that reason. 

 

I do not get the consternation about bringing Gonsalves up after a few starts (several of which were not impressive) after being out for a couple months due to injury.  He will come up eventually, and a couple more starts until the org is ready for this is hardly going to be detrimental to anything but our patience.

 

it's not about 1 guy, it's a pattern.....a pattern that is hard to understand. Sub out gonsalves, and put in any RP pretty much. 

 

the pattern is clear, they aren't giving any current minor leaguer that is a legit prospect a promotion or chance in MN, despite having no starters in AAA, and few good bullpen options in MN.

 

Waiting for the minor league all star break is pretty arbitrary, when you are hanging onto first place by your nails, imo.

[HitInAPinch]

 

I think he has a feel for it, he simply doesn't care. I hate to see him do it but damn, it's fun to watch a fearless defender.

Well, in my mind, there's a big difference between fearless and foolish.  That one looked to me like he should have played it off the wall.  But, hindsight......

 

I hate going back to this well again, however:  I think another call from Torii Hunter is in order.  Buxton needs to start thinking long-term.

[Tom Froemming]

 

He’s so hot right now there’s just no way Paul Molitor is going to put him back on the bench anytime soon. Escobar is now hitting .295 with an .823 OPS.

Well, I was wrong. Escobar is on the bench tonight. Over the past seven days he's hitting .684/.700/.1.158!

 

I guess most of his damage has been done against lefties and he's 0-for-3 lifetime against Carrasco, a RHP. And Polanco has been better against RHP (.684)  than LHP (.586). Still surprised, though.

[h2oface]

Great Headline!