MrHockey Verified Member Posted August 5, 2012 Posted August 5, 2012 Heeeee's Baaaa-aaack. Can someone who has been paying more attention than I to Rochester tell me about this "hot streak" he's been on for the last month? I have to assume he's coming up as a utility infielder, right? Carroll goes to 3B full time and Casilla to 2B?John, so now what has happened to the "fun bunch"? Valencia was a key member of the group. Was Luke Hughes a member? Joe Benson?
Thrylos Old-Timey Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 I don't believe this... but I thought someone would at least point it out. The Twins brought up Nishi because they were already paying him. If they would have brought up anyone else (even at the minimum) for the last 1/3 of the season, the Twins would have been forced to pay that player (a minimum of) $160,000. By bringing up Nishi, they saved every penny of it. I wouldn't be shocked if this isn't the last movement of in the middle infield. I'm sure Carroll and Casilla will be hitting waivers soon, if they haven't already.Wait for the "Pohlads are cheap" crowd now... I think that partially this is the reason but not because they don't want to pay someone else. They are out of it right now and they better see whether they can at least potentially count on him in any role for next season. I'd also be shocked if that was the last movement, in general... I expect at least 2-3 more trades to happen.
Thrylos Old-Timey Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Leaves ROC with 23 players....wonder if there is a promotion or 2 in the works???Are you counting PJ Walters?
Jeremy Nygaard Twins Daily Contributor Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Are you counting PJ Walters?It's 23 w/o Walters (who I don't believe counts anyway). The Red Wings currently have 9(!) guys on the D.L., some who won't be playing again this year, but a handful who could be activated immediately.
greengoblinrulz Provisional Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 If instead of scholarship you said allowance to undeseriving children or welfare program people might have got the clever joke.Terry Ryan made the quote that 'The scholarship program (of 2011) is over' in spring training & players were gonna have to earn their spot on the team rather than making due to salary, previous MLB experience, etc...It got a lot of laughs in the Twin Cities. Slowly but surely, that has ended again.I realized it was a lil 'inside' joke, but I still like it
YourHouseIsMyHouse Provisional Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Any possibility they move Jeremias to the infield? His frame certainly looks like it could be worth a try. Of course I don't know much about him and I doubt anyone else does.
jctwins Verified Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 This is clearly being done to give him a little time at the ML level to show what he's worth and then swap him Valencia style for something else. I believe this is JR's version of cleaning house, and it's not all bad. Clear out some of these guys occupying space that could use a change of scenery and get prospects in exchange.
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Terry Ryan made the quote that 'The scholarship program (of 2011) is over' in spring training & players were gonna have to earn their spot on the team rather than making due to salary, previous MLB experience, etc...It got a lot of laughs in the Twin Cities. Slowly but surely, that has ended again.I realized it was a lil 'inside' joke, but I still like itNothing wrong with reminding the club that it needs to be held accountable for its "message". In comparison to other towns, many Twins fans have short memories and are a little too quick to forgive and forget.
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 This is clearly being done to give him a little time at the ML level to show what he's worth and then swap him Valencia style for something else. I believe this is JR's version of cleaning house, and it's not all bad. Clear out some of these guys occupying space that could use a change of scenery and get prospects in exchange.If TR finds a way out of the remainder of Nishi's contract he'll be a shoo-in for GM of the Year.
jctwins Verified Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 If TR finds a way out of the remainder of Nishi's contract he'll be a shoo-in for GM of the Year.They'll have to pay out the contract - somewhere between between ML min and $1mm/yr. But it's better than the complete waste of cash that they have now.
Highabove Provisional Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 I'm worried that Nishi's second hand smoke may affect our younger Players.
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 They'll have to pay out the contract - somewhere between between ML min and $1mm/yr. But it's better than the complete waste of cash that they have now.Likely. I was responding to the previous poster who suggested that Ryan might find a trade partner for Nishi. It's difficult to fathom that any club would have any interest, unless there's a squad out there that is indifferent to horrendous middle infield defense and is trying to build up their fan base in Japan.
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 This must be a business decision. Why not just call up Escobar now?Escobar needs to play for a month since he's been rottin on the White Sox bench. I'm good with Nishioka coming up again and seeing what he can do, if he's been able to make any improvements. As for longer term, they Twins may time putting the likes of Carroll and Casilla on waivers until Plouffe is back.
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Escobar needs to play for a month since he's been rottin on the White Sox bench. I'm good with Nishioka coming up again and seeing what he can do, if he's been able to make any improvements. As for longer term, they Twins may time putting the likes of Carroll and Casilla on waivers until Plouffe is back.While I agree, Nishi has nowhere to go but up as he can't be any worse than he showed last year. Having said that, I have yet to hear from anyone other than a random poster or two, and the month of July when his BA wasn't hovering at the Mendoza line, that he has made enough progress to make claims to progressing on a path to inviting more consideration that he is a legitimate major leaguer. Oh well, at least we're likely soon due for some entertaining moments in August that will be eminently nominatable for ESPN's "Not The Top Ten".
spideyo Provisional Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Maybe they'll give him the Valencia treatment, play him for a ten days, and then send him through waivers and dump him for a rookie league player
stringer bell Verified Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Maybe they'll give him the Valencia treatment, play him for a ten days, and then send him through waivers and dump him for a rookie league playerIf only they could!
nokomismod Verified Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 They'll have to pay out the contract - somewhere between between ML min and $1mm/yr. But it's better than the complete waste of cash that they have now.Even if he retires at the end of the season?
70charger Verified Member Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Likely. I was responding to the previous poster who suggested that Ryan might find a trade partner for Nishi. It's difficult to fathom that any club would have any interest, unless there's a squad out there that is indifferent to horrendous middle infield defense and is trying to build up their fan base in Japan.The Mariners?
Ultima Ratio Verified Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 ...and he's still horrible.....
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 While I agree, Nishi has nowhere to go but up as he can't be any worse than he showed last year. Having said that, I have yet to hear from anyone other than a random poster or two, and the month of July when his BA wasn't hovering at the Mendoza line, that he has made enough progress to make claims to progressing on a path to inviting more consideration that he is a legitimate major leaguer. Oh well, at least we're likely soon due for some entertaining moments in August that will be eminently nominatable for ESPN's "Not The Top Ten".Wow, talk about Instant Gratification. A Twins blowout and not one, not two, but three NNTTTs in his 2012 debut. [Nishi Not The Top Ten]
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 "The Mariners? " Yup. But after tonight, Nishi could be the direct heir to the Emperor's Chrysanthemum Throne and there's still absolutely no chance that Jack Zduriencik would touch him with a ten foot pole.
DJSim22 Provisional Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 While I agree, Nishi has nowhere to go but up as he can't be any worse than he showed last year. Having said that, I have yet to hear from anyone other than a random poster or two, and the month of July when his BA wasn't hovering at the Mendoza line, that he has made enough progress to make claims to progressing on a path to inviting more consideration that he is a legitimate major leaguer. Oh well, at least we're likely soon due for some entertaining moments in August that will be eminently nominatable for ESPN's "Not The Top Ten".I know it's one game, all I can say is WOW. He was plain horrible tonight.
DaveW Old-Timey Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I couldn't believe dickbert gushing over his swing tonight, that is one of the dumbest swings I have seen in a while. This kid has no hope.
jokin Old-Timey Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 I couldn't believe dickbert gushing over his swing tonight, that is one of the dumbest swings I have seen in a while. This kid has no hope.To be fair, the gushing stopped on Jamey Caroll's "error". Bert started to excuse Nishi, but reversed course during the replay and lit into Nishioka pretty good.
stringer bell Verified Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 If possible, Nishioka managed to drive his stock down. Is there a worse healthy player on any team's 40-man roster?
minn55441 Provisional Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 0-5 and two errors on a night when everyone was hitting. I would have given him a 3rd error on his failure to catch Caroll's throw. I would sit him and wait for Plouffe to come back.
jctwins Verified Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 0-5 and two errors on a night when everyone was hitting. I would have given him a 3rd error on his failure to catch Caroll's throw. I would sit him and wait for Plouffe to come back.Nishi's here to play. Gardy said it.
LaBombo Verified Member Posted August 7, 2012 Posted August 7, 2012 Nishi's here to play. Gardy said it.The only sane motive for this must be to embarrass Nish into accepting a lowball 2013 buyout.
PopRiveter Verified Member Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 0 for 10 and counting. I see some hope, though, that he may reach base on a fielder's choice or hit-by-pitch today. He looks due!
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