Rochester Rotation and the Deadline

[jorgenswest]

Trade deadline on Monday.

 

Berrios is lined up for a Monday start. Wheeler is lined up for today and Tuesday. Those are the two guys that the Twins should get in the rotation.

 

Santana is slotted for a Sunday start. If he is traded prior to Sunday, Wheeler and Berrios would not be available. The guy slotted for Sunday is Albers. The Twins would be better off making it a bullpen game and throw Duffey in the bullpen mix for that day. Berrios takes his Monday start.

 

A better option might be to hold Wheeler back and have him ready if Santana, Nolasco or Milone are moved. Berrios starts Monday for Duffey.

[Badsmerf]

I don't understand how duffey, nolasco, and milone have been allowed this many mlb starts. It's amazing. Especially with berrios in aaa. Wow.

[jorgenswest]

I don't understand how duffey, nolasco, and milone have been allowed this many mlb starts. It's amazing. Especially with berrios in aaa. Wow.

Any thoughts on holding back Wheeler or how to fill in for Nolasco, Milone or Santana should they be traded before their start? Do they go with a bullpen day? Do they bring up Dean or Darnell or Albers since they line up better? Do they wait to trade them after their next start?

 

Discussion about holding back Berrios might make a good thread on its own.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

The Sunday/Monday hole in the rotation only matters if Antony feels compelled to wait until the last minute to make a trade. He could still call up Berrios tonight in preparation for his Monday start, and if no one gets traded, then someone moves to the bullpen to make way?

 

The Twins don't have a day off coming up, so calling up another starter in addition to Berrios might be a better option than patching a game with the bullpen if someone is traded. Another idea would be to push everyone back a day and offer Rogers another start, with Duffey first in to relieve Rogers.

[jorgenswest]

I would guess they will call up Berrios on the day of his start. I have to believe that is Monday. No reason to call him up sooner than he will pitch.

 

Santana has shown teams everything they need to see. Another start Sunday doesn't change his value unless he is injured or dips in velocity for some reason. They should move him before Sunday and go with Rogers/May/bullpen assuming they aren't spent in short starts by Nolasco or Milone in the previous two games.

[Rosterman]

Berrios will be a call-up soon.

 

Jason Wheeler should also be added to the 40-man.

 

I could stomach Greenwood, Albers and Darnell being added to the 40-man and getting starts. But it would be at the expense of Duffey (send him back down) and not promoting Dean. I would almost say give the AAAA guys a shot or two, but look to advance Stewart or Gonsalves from AA once September happens and give them a roster spot and a taste of major league life.

 

But tread carefully. Any advancement of AAA or AA players is to show what they could possibly do to add to their own value. But if you look at them now, and see no hope of keeping them into spring training, then go with the youth...let them come up and strikeout or be bombed. It is still a learning experience to grow from in the offseason.

 

 

It is more than a trading deadline. The Twins can put ALL players out for waivers in August and even do it a second time and lose them with NO compensation. That is what teams might be eyeing. Will the Twins cut bait with Nolasco, Milone, Suzuki, Nunez, Plouffe and a team can grab them with no player going back in return. And the Twins have to ask if hat is a blessing. Or should we just keer the guys and continue to flush money down our system.

 

 

[jimmer]

 

Berrios will be a call-up soon.

 

Jason Wheeler should also be added to the 40-man.

 

I could stomach Greenwood, Albers and Darnell being added to the 40-man and getting starts. But it would be at the expense of Duffey (send him back down) and not promoting Dean. I would almost say give the AAAA guys a shot or two, but look to advance Stewart or Gonsalves from AA once September happens and give them a roster spot and a taste of major league life.

 

But tread carefully. Any advancement of AAA or AA players is to show what they could possibly do to add to their own value. But if you look at them now, and see no hope of keeping them into spring training, then go with the youth...let them come up and strikeout or be bombed. It is still a learning experience to grow from in the offseason.

 

 

It is more than a trading deadline. The Twins can put ALL players out for waivers in August and even do it a second time and lose them with NO compensation. That is what teams might be eyeing. Will the Twins cut bait with Nolasco, Milone, Suzuki, Nunez, Plouffe and a team can grab them with no player going back in return. And the Twins have to ask if hat is a blessing. Or should we just keer the guys and continue to flush money down our system.

I believe that Suzuki won't be traded.  I think we will re-sign him.  I imagine the same with Nunez.

[Winston Smith]

It really doesn't matter what they do this year other than get ready for next year. Let the young guys play and give enough time to the better prospects to find out what you have.

[jorgenswest]

If Wheeler gets his start today, I don't think the Twins feel they are close on a deal for Santana, Nolasco or Milone. Berrios can't start in their places. They started him last night. Dean is on the 40 but has done nothing in his return to AAA. Wheeler is the only option available that has shown consistent success in AAA this year.

 

Nolasco and Milone probably don't go early, but Santana could go before Sunday. The Twins could hold back Wheeler and make him available for that slot.

[Darius]

They're not making any significant trades. They never do. They're too deluded into thinking "we're going to compete next year," every year (that's the excuse they use, anyway, it's impossible that they actually believe it), even with Ryan gone.

 

It doesn't help that "compete" in the Pohlad/FO world doesn't include anything beyond the wild card round of the playoffs. Certainly not the World Series. That was proven beyond a doubt in the 2000s.

 

This franchise is desperate for a change at the top. Unfortunately, it's not happening any time soon. The ownership/operations ground is still rife with incompetence. The dismissal of Ryan means nothing. They've already hamstrung themselves on serious GM candidates by saying Moli and Antony stay on regardless of the GM. Hiring a search firm is nothing more than PR, IMO. They'll go outside of the organization to save some face, because they know if they don't the villagers will get out pitchforks and light torches, but in the end they'll just go find another yes-man. I'll eat my shoe if the search firm goes out and finds who they believe to be the best possible candidate to run baseball operations, and they hire him/her.

 

I'm starting to come to terms with something: A Minnesota MLB team would win a championship sooner if the Twins were contracted/moved years ago, and we sat around and waited for an expansion squad to come back under new ownership.

 

I still love the team, and watch on tv because I can't help myself (IMO, if you're going down to that ballpark, you're a sucker), but they are an embarrassment, and have been for decades now. There's just no way to sugar coat it anymore.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

If Wheeler gets his start today, I don't think the Twins feel they are close on a deal for Santana, Nolasco or Milone. Berrios can't start in their places. They started him last night. Dean is on the 40 but has done nothing in his return to AAA. Wheeler is the only option available that has shown consistent success in AAA this year.

Nolasco and Milone probably don't go early, but Santana could go before Sunday. The Twins could hold back Wheeler and make him available for that slot.

I think you're reading too much into this.  Dean could absolutely come up to make one start if necessary, so could Albers etc.  We have 3 open spots on the 40-man roster.

 

Given who we're talking about, the odds of a SP trade before this deadline are fairly low.  And if it does happen, odds are it happens on deadline day Monday and won't have any effect on this turn through the rotation.  It would be rather silly to start moving pieces around expecting a trade earlier than that.

[HitInAPinch]

 

They're not making any significant trades.

 

Don't you need significant players to make significant trades? 

[stringer bell]

IMHO, what difference does it make who starts a meaningless game in a lost season? They can start Pressly or Tonkin for all I care. However, the 40-man slot is important, especially if they do make a trade, so bringing up Wheeler or Albers makes close to no sense for me. 

 

Secondly, why is everyone so curious about Wheeler? Isn't he the same thing as Diamond, Darnell, Dean, Albers and about a half dozen others? We've seen enough soft-tossing command and control lefties to last the next twenty years,

 

Berrios for Duffey is really easy. They pitched on the same night, swap the one with potential for the one who has totally lost his mojo.

 

There are three spots on the Twins 40-man. They have room to trade players for guys that must be on the major league roster and the Twins could get a  blocked guy from another organization, or perhaps two guys for a Suzuki or Nunez. Wasting a spot on Wheeler, Darnell, or Albers is foolishness.

 

[laloesch]

 

IMHO, what difference does it make who starts a meaningless game in a lost season? They can start Pressly or Tonkin for all I care. However, the 40-man slot is important, especially if they do make a trade, so bringing up Wheeler or Albers makes close to no sense for me. 

 

Secondly, why is everyone so curious about Wheeler? Isn't he the same thing as Diamond, Darnell, Dean, Albers and about a half dozen others? We've seen enough soft-tossing command and control lefties to last the next twenty years,

 

Berrios for Duffey is really easy. They pitched on the same night, swap the one with potential for the one who has totally lost his mojo.

 

There are three spots on the Twins 40-man. They have room to trade players for guys that must be on the major league roster and the Twins could get a  blocked guy from another organization, or perhaps two guys for a Suzuki or Nunez. Wasting a spot on Wheeler, Darnell, or Albers is foolishness.

 

To be perfectly honest he's nothing special.  High 80's fastball most of the time, not good control.  Meh best case scenario.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

There are three spots on the Twins 40-man. They have room to trade players for guys that must be on the major league roster and the Twins could get a  blocked guy from another organization, or perhaps two guys for a Suzuki or Nunez. Wasting a spot on Wheeler, Darnell, or Albers is foolishness.

Every player they trade opens up a 40-man spot too.  It is highly doubtful that our deadline trades would require 3 additional 40-man spots, so using one for a few days on Albers or whomever wouldn't hurt.

[stringer bell]

Disagree spy cake. If the Twins want to look at guys like Hildenberger or Garver, they should keep as many spots open add they can. Having the flexibility to add players to the 40-man is a good thing, for example they could claim a guy or trade one fostered player for two. There is just no need to add fringe guys like Darnell, Wheeler or Beresford to the 40-man.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Disagree spy cake. If the Twins want to look at guys like Hildenberger or Garver, they should keep as many spots open add they can. Having the flexibility to add players to the 40-man is a good thing, for example they could claim a guy or trade one fostered player for two. There is just no need to add fringe guys like Darnell, Wheeler or Beresford to the 40-man.

I agree it is good to have an open 40-man spot.  You seem to be ignoring the fact that we have 3 already, without even counting the 40-man guys we would be trading.  The idea that we'll somehow need to add 5+ new guys to the 40-man roster in the next week (assuming 2 guys traded, in addition to the 3 open spots) is far-fetched, to say the least.

 

That said, I don't want to see fringe guys over useful prospects either.  But in the unlikely scenario where we had to deal a SP right now, we could easily add a guy like Albers to the 40-man roster to make one start, and drop him as soon as needed thereafter.