Mid-season trade candidates

[jay]

After a tough start, it'll be a tall order to be in contention by the ASG. Who are candidates to be dealt (or waived)?

 

Nolasco

Jepsen

Fien

Suzuki

 

Who else and why?

[USAFChief]

Plouffe.

Gibson.

Abad.

Hughes.

[Thrylos]

Perkins

Dozier

Plouffe

Abad

Santana

Nolasco

Jepsen

Suzuki

Milone

Fien

Park

 

Got to rebuild at some point...

[kab21]

 

Perkins

Dozier

Plouffe

Abad

Santana

Nolasco

Jepsen

Suzuki

Milone

Fien

Park

 

Got to rebuild at some point...

6 games is clearly the end of the world.  The Twins could move a couple of veterans if this continues but there is no reason to tear it down and rebuild.

[Darius]

Id listen to offers for anyone.

 

I'd actively try to move Plouffe, Dozier, Mauer, Escobar, Hughes, Santana, Nolasco, Jepsen, Perkins. I dont know why anyone would want any of these guys, outside of Dozier and Escobar, but it's worth a shot.

 

But, remember who our GM is. I have zero confidence in him. I'd feel better if they had some kind of trained animal to select things at random by nudging a beach ball, like someone always seems to do with the Super Bowl.

[Thrylos]

 

6 games is clearly the end of the world.  The Twins could move a couple of veterans if this continues but there is no reason to tear it down and rebuild.

 

It is not 6 games. It is one post-season series win since 1991.  Been a while.

[Mr. Brooks]

It is not 6 games. It is one post-season series win since 1991. Been a while.

Correct. And, outside of a fluky, unsustainable, unrepeatable May last year , there is no measurable reason to think they have even made any improvement the last 5 plus years.

[Darius]

6 games is clearly the end of the world. The Twins could move a couple of veterans if this continues but there is no reason to tear it down and rebuild.

There is something built at this point? Why, because they finished four games over .500 last year, after defying basically all advanced statistics?

 

Are Buxton and Sano close to being the transcendent, MVP-type players, that everyone has already put in the bank?

[TKGuy]

I should have known.  Why don't we just trade Buxton and Sano and Kepler?  Stop overreacting.

[NoCal]

Playing in the major leagues is hard; really, the Twins are playing several rookies (Rosario, Buxton, Sano, Park, et al), and this is what a learning curve can look like. Some of us remember the early Hrbek, Gaetti, Brunansky, etc teams, and it was ugly. This is the rebuild, and it can take a long time. For instance, ask the Royals.

[Vanimal46]

If this season turns for the worst, then any and all veterans should be considered for trades and bring on the full youth movement.

 

If this season turns around and they're back in contention, then Polanco, Meyer, Duffey, Gordon, etc should be on the block to make upgrades on the MLB roster.

[Danchat]

Let's not overreact now. There's no reason to ship out everyone... but I will list some realistic candidates.

No, Casey Fien does not count because he's much closer to a DFA than a trade.

 

Nolasco - If he can stay healthy and pitch like he did against the Royals, then he could fetch a small return. That's a big "IF".

 

Suzuki - Right now catchers are expensive if you want to trade for one. There just aren't many available. If Suzuki is batting well, the Twins could get a solid return for him

 

Milone - With Duffey, Berrios, and May possibly ready for the rotation soon, Milone could be moved.

 

Probably not:

Plouffe/Dozier - I don't think TR is going to trade either of them. I like Dozier too much. I don't think the Twins trust Sano at 3B. They need to find a place for Polanco to play - so it might be down to Dozier or Polanco getting traded.

[kab21]

 

It is not 6 games. It is one post-season series win since 1991.  Been a while.

 

I don't drive a car using the rearview mirror.

 

This Twins team has a lot of talent and making knee jerk reactions based on 6 games is silly.  

[parrothead]

 

I don't drive a car using the rearview mirror.

 

This Twins team has a lot of talent and making knee jerk reactions based on 6 games is silly.  

Great point! I would still take this team over any team in the AL Central this year, and any team in the AL soon enough.

[Darius]

I should have known. Why don't we just trade Buxton and Sano and Kepler? Stop overreacting.

I haven't seen those names mentioned at all. Who is overreacting? Pot/kettle.

[Darius]

Great point! I would still take this team over any team in the AL Central this year, and any team in the AL soon enough.

Lol. This would dominate the PST.

[TheLeviathan]

This idea is probably too soon, but no one should discount that an 0-6 hole is pretty deep.

[jimmer]

 

I don't drive a car using the rearview mirror.

 

This Twins team has a lot of talent and making knee jerk reactions based on 6 games is silly.  

This Twins team doesn't have as much talent as some think and that was apparent if one truly looked at how the team performed last year with no real improvements in the offseason.

 

Some people pointed out how bad the bullpen was last year, saw that it is basically the same the same bullpen this year, and said the bullpen would be a problem.

 

Some people saw how bad offense truly was last year regardless of the fluky sequencing (last in OBP, 13th in OPS), saw the team end up with mostly the same faces in the starting lineup it, and figured it'd be a problem this year.  

 

Some people saw a rotation that is below average, then saw no one new added, and figured it won't be that good this year either.

 

People who didn't see these things can't claim others who did are seeing these things and pointing them out in hindsight. Well, they can obviously, but not much validity to it.

[jay]

I don't think it's time for a teardown, regardless of how this year goes. However, facts show that it is quite likely they'll be in a position to move some vets at some point this year. 

 

The idea of moving guys like Dozier, Escobar and Plouffe seems out of place to me. The Twins need more players that are at least league average, not fewer (and some elite players, of course). Those type of trades perpetuate the rebuild by always needing to wait for prospects to mature and adjust to MLB (see: Timberwolves).

[bluechipper]

 

Perkins

Dozier

Plouffe

Abad

Santana

Nolasco

Jepsen

Suzuki

Milone

Fien

Park

 

Got to rebuild at some point...

The only ones I'd question there are Dozier and Santana, even though those two are the only ones who would bring much value back.

 

I'm not sure if the rebuild comment is a joke, but that's already happened. This is the growing pains of a young lineup.

 

Also, if the Twins needed to rebuild, and that list is all that they had to offer as trade chips to build up their pipeline, then they'd be in big trouble.

[Guest]

I don't drive a car using the rearview mirror.

 

Sure, but if you keep having trouble reaching your destination every time you leave your house, you might consider that your GPS isn't working.

[Mr. Brooks]

No, the rebuild has not happened, they never committed to a rebuild and that's part of their problem now.

Just look at the ages of the starting rotation, while Berrios and Duffy are in AAA and May gets pushed into the bullpen.

 

And the so called competition was rigged from the start.

Berrios got something like 8 and a third innings to audition for a rotation spot?

Please.

8 innings in practice games is a meaningless sample to evaluate anything.

 

As for Duffy, he was told he didn't have to compete, so instead of worrying about numbers he decided to work on a changeup.

Then at the last minute they oh nevermind, actually you are competing against Nolasco for a spot and by the way you are gonna face an mlb squad and he's gonna face a bunch of single a guys.

 

Then they insisted that May was going to be given a legit shot at the rotation, hmmm weird he pitched better than all of them but was put in the pen anyway. Nobody saw that coming.

 

Then they move Sano to a position he's never played to accommodate a couple of 29 year olds who will likely never be anything better than average at their positions.

 

Sano is the type of player you move other guys to accommodate. The Twins are doing it backwards.

You can bet Sano and his agent will remember this when free agency approaches.

Enjoy him for the six years we'll have him.

 

Then there is keeping guys like Fien, even though we have at minimum a half dozen guys in the minors who could step in today and pitch at least as well, but with upside.

 

And you have the reigning Southern League hitter of the year, who came up and completely schooled the entire roster on what a quality AB looks like, in his first MLB at bat of the season. But yet the team is saying he'll probably be a defensive replacement and spot starter for 2 weeks. There is no room for him in this embarrassing lineup. Right.

 

Finally, the biggest no brainer of all. 4 straight 90 loss seasons and you refuse to trade your elite cost controlled closer?? They could have gotten some pretty good pieces for him, guys who would actually be possible key players once we are competitive again.

 

The fact that Perkins would be toast by then was completely predictable, and now probably wouldn't bring back more than a lottery ticket or two.

 

No the rebuild never started. It's been one foot in, one out the entire time, which is why we haven't made much substantial improvement in 5 plus years.

[bluechipper]

 

No, the rebuild has not happened, they never committed to a rebuild and that's part of their problem now.
Just look at the ages of the starting rotation, while Berrios and Duffy are in AAA and May gets pushed into the bullpen.

And the so called competition was rigged from the start.
Berrios got something like 8 and a third innings to audition for a rotation spot?
Please.
8 innings in practice games is a meaningless sample to evaluate anything.

As for Duffy, he was told he didn't have to compete, so instead of worrying about numbers he decided to work on a changeup.
Then at the last minute they oh nevermind, actually you are competing against Nolasco for a spot and by the way you are gonna face an mlb squad and he's gonna face a bunch of single a guys.

Then they insisted that May was going to be given a legit shot at the rotation, hmmm weird he pitched better than all of them but was put in the pen anyway. Nobody saw that coming.

Then they move Sano to a position he's never played to accommodate a couple of 29 year olds who will likely never be anything better than average at their positions.

Sano is the type of player you move other guys to accommodate. The Twins are doing it backwards.
You can bet Sano and his agent will remember this when free agency approaches.
Enjoy him for the six years we'll have him.

Then there is keeping guys like Fien, even though we have at minimum a half dozen guys in the minors who could step in today and pitch at least as well, but with upside.

And you have the reigning Southern League hitter of the year, who came up and completely schooled the entire roster on what a quality AB looks like, in his first MLB at bat of the season. But yet the team is saying he'll probably be a defensive replacement and spot starter for 2 weeks. There is no room for him in this embarrassing lineup. Right.

Finally, the biggest no brainer of all. 4 straight 90 loss seasons and you refuse to trade your elite cost controlled closer?? They could have gotten some pretty good pieces for him, guys who would actually be possible key players once we are competitive again.

The fact that Perkins would be toast by then was completely predictable, and now probably wouldn't bring back more than a lottery ticket or two.

No the rebuild never started. It's been one foot in, one out the entire time, which is why we haven't made much substantial improvement in 5 plus years.

Whether they labeled it a rebuild or not, that's what it ended up being. Perkins is the only real veteran asset that was a trade option, and he wasn't going to get a huge return anyway. I think it's ok to "try" to win while still rebuilding mostly through the draft.

 

The rest of what you mentioned is just a really negative way to look at things.

[Mr. Brooks]

We'll have to agree to disagree. How many guys on this 25 man roster are under the age of 28 or so?

[Mr. Brooks]

As for Perkins, why does it have to be a "huge" return?

We've seen poor to mediocre closers decent returns at the trade deadline. Perkins would have gotten a good return.

And you take what you can get. There was no reason to keep him on a perennial 90 loss club, and now he's likely no longer an asset with his diminished stuff and results.

[kab21]

Yes, there are some decisions that should have been done differently but this team has been rebuilding for the last 3+ years.  They went from a piss poor farm system with very few top prospects in the upper minors to a top 5 farm system with numerous top prospects in the upper minors or the MLB roster.  

 

Not every rebuild needs to be a burn it down 76'ers model rebuild but Sam Hinkie is available right now if that is what you want.

[Mr. Brooks]

Yes, there are some decisions that should have been done differently but this team has been rebuilding for the last 3+ years. They went from a piss poor farm system with very few top prospects in the upper minors to a top 5 farm system with numerous top prospects in the upper minors or the MLB roster.

 

Not every rebuild needs to be a burn it down 76'ers model rebuild but Sam Hinkie is available right now if that is what you want.

That is a product of losing, and getting high draft picks.

None of those prospects are from trades.

 

A full rebuild can be done with better results than the 76ers. I'm guessing the Cubs fans are happy with theirs.

[kab21]

 

That is a product of losing, and getting high draft picks.
None of those prospects are from trades.

A full rebuild can be done with better results than the 76ers. I'm guessing the Cubs fans are happy with theirs.

Actually the farm system improvement has mostly been due to participating in the int'l market and hitting on lower draft picks. And yes trades.

 

The high draft picks (top 10 overall) have helped but Buxton is the only one that is going to play this year while Rosario, Escobar (trade), May (trade), Sano, Kepler, Park (sort of a prospect), Polanco, Duffey and Berrios were acquired later in the draft, through trades or through int'l FA.  And the other potential contributors weren't high picks either.

[DJSim22]

 

Perkins

Dozier

Plouffe

Abad

Santana

Nolasco

Jepsen

Suzuki

Milone

Fien

Park

 

Got to rebuild at some point...

You can not have a team solely consisting of 25yr old's and younger.  You need vet's sprinkled in for on and off the field reasons.  There are not metrics for leadership, for off field issues with your girlfriend/wife, language barriers ect.  This is not a video game.

 

If the team continues losing games, some of the veterans will be traded and a few vet's will probably be signed in the off season.

 

This is not a rebuild?  Buxton, Pressly, Tonkin, Sano, Park, Rosario...   If a few more RP's were ready they'd be up too. 

 

Sometimes I think you take the opposite view just to create conversation. 

[Primetime82]

 

No, the rebuild has not happened, they never committed to a rebuild and that's part of their problem now.
Just look at the ages of the starting rotation, while Berrios and Duffy are in AAA and May gets pushed into the bullpen.

And the so called competition was rigged from the start.
Berrios got something like 8 and a third innings to audition for a rotation spot?
Please.
8 innings in practice games is a meaningless sample to evaluate anything.

As for Duffy, he was told he didn't have to compete, so instead of worrying about numbers he decided to work on a changeup.
Then at the last minute they oh nevermind, actually you are competing against Nolasco for a spot and by the way you are gonna face an mlb squad and he's gonna face a bunch of single a guys.

Then they insisted that May was going to be given a legit shot at the rotation, hmmm weird he pitched better than all of them but was put in the pen anyway. Nobody saw that coming.

Then they move Sano to a position he's never played to accommodate a couple of 29 year olds who will likely never be anything better than average at their positions.

Sano is the type of player you move other guys to accommodate. The Twins are doing it backwards.
You can bet Sano and his agent will remember this when free agency approaches.
Enjoy him for the six years we'll have him.

Then there is keeping guys like Fien, even though we have at minimum a half dozen guys in the minors who could step in today and pitch at least as well, but with upside.

And you have the reigning Southern League hitter of the year, who came up and completely schooled the entire roster on what a quality AB looks like, in his first MLB at bat of the season. But yet the team is saying he'll probably be a defensive replacement and spot starter for 2 weeks. There is no room for him in this embarrassing lineup. Right.

Finally, the biggest no brainer of all. 4 straight 90 loss seasons and you refuse to trade your elite cost controlled closer?? They could have gotten some pretty good pieces for him, guys who would actually be possible key players once we are competitive again.

The fact that Perkins would be toast by then was completely predictable, and now probably wouldn't bring back more than a lottery ticket or two.

No the rebuild never started. It's been one foot in, one out the entire time, which is why we haven't made much substantial improvement in 5 plus years.

At least someone get's it. Terry Ryan is old school, we need new school. 

 

We'll never know what we could have got for Perkins but most likely would have been a really good prospect and players. Now Perk is toast but many here still haven't accepted that yet though.