Twins vs. Rangers, 07/08/2012, 6:05pm

mikeee · July 9, 2012

2 outs... LOL

notoriousgod71 · July 9, 2012

Pulled for Casey Fien. hrm.

Even though he pitched a shutout inning this move is inexcusable. If you're going to take DeVries out it should have been for Burton or Perkins. This was like bringing Bass into one run game after one run game.

glunn · July 9, 2012

And bases loaded, and Gardenhire is going to let Swarzak sweat it out.

IdahoPilgrim · July 9, 2012

Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I have to work tomorrow. Hasta. Maybe the Twins will win in my dreams.

glunn · July 9, 2012

Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I have to work tomorrow. Hasta. Maybe the Twins will win in my dreams.

It's only 9:00 here. Have a goodnight sb.

glunn · July 9, 2012

Pull Swarzak now -- too many pitches.

kydoty · July 9, 2012

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22970091&topic_id=9780550&c_id=mlb

Jerry White's reaction at 1:15 is just great.

glunn · July 9, 2012

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22970091&topic_id=9780550&c_id=mlb

Jerry White's reaction at 1:15 is just great.

Good one -- thanks for sharing this.

CDog · July 9, 2012

Blame Dozier...but that was an 0-2 pitch from Perkins that Young just doubled on to tie the game. Completely unacceptable.

Not really a correction since I'm sure it was just a "typo," but it was a single. But more so, I wanted to use that comment to segue to something about the larger point...

In between some of the ridiculous stuff Mitch Williams said last night (there's a whole thread on that), was something that caught my interest. He talked about there being more 0-2 hits (and I think he added that many were extra-base/home runs) than he could ever remember and thought it was at least partially due to the pitch count. In other words, pitchers trying to get through batters on fewer pitches were more likely to "give in" and throw something hittable 0-2 to avoid throwing extra pitches. Part of why I found it interesting is because it's not really something that can be checked (at least not the motivation part), so in that sense it was at least thought provoking.

Basically I'm distracting myself from watching the game as intently as I had been because it's stressing me out, so I figured I'd do some typing. Feel free to ignore or discuss.

notoriousgod71 · July 9, 2012

That about sums up our first half of the season.

Top Gun · July 9, 2012

Twins lose, infield practice in the morning!

glunn · July 9, 2012

Twins should have won this. I blame Gardenhire for leaving Perkins in for too long.

greengoblinrulz · July 9, 2012

Its not because of this...but when you arent trying to win, you dont win.

What do I mean. Its more important to Gardy to rest Burton than pitch him in the 8th. This happenned in DET with the lead & Burnett lost the game. Happenned tonight & tho Fien pitched a great 8th, its still the mindset.

2 games that were lost on this trip in games gardy didnt do everything he could to win it. Team got what they deserve

snepp · July 9, 2012

Some 0-2 count stuff, league as a whole.

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[TH=class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center]Year BA[/TH]

[TH=class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center]OBP[/TH]

[TH=class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center]SLG[/TH]

[TH=class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center]OPS[/TH]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2012 .148[/TD]

[TD=align: right].155[/TD]

[TD=align: right].221[/TD]

[TD=align: right].376[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2011 .152[/TD]

[TD=align: right].160[/TD]

[TD=align: right].217[/TD]

[TD=align: right].377[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TR=class: hl]

[TD=align: right]2010 .156[/TD]

[TD=align: right].165[/TD]

[TD=align: right].220[/TD]

[TD=align: right].385[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2009 .156[/TD]

[TD=align: right].164[/TD]

[TD=align: right].221[/TD]

[TD=align: right].385[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2008 .160[/TD]

[TD=align: right].170[/TD]

[TD=align: right].230[/TD]

[TD=align: right].401[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2007 .166[/TD]

[TD=align: right].177[/TD]

[TD=align: right].235[/TD]

[TD=align: right].412[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2006 .168[/TD]

[TD=align: right].178[/TD]

[TD=align: right].244[/TD]

[TD=align: right].422[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2005 .164[/TD]

[TD=align: right].173[/TD]

[TD=align: right].237[/TD]

[TD=align: right].409[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2004 .165[/TD]

[TD=align: right].175[/TD]

[TD=align: right].246[/TD]

[TD=align: right].421[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2003 .159[/TD]

[TD=align: right].170[/TD]

[TD=align: right].230[/TD]

[TD=align: right].400[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2002 .160[/TD]

[TD=align: right].170[/TD]

[TD=align: right].233[/TD]

[TD=align: right].402[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2001 .159[/TD]

[TD=align: right].171[/TD]

[TD=align: right].236[/TD]

[TD=align: right].407[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]2000 .161[/TD]

[TD=align: right].171[/TD]

[TD=align: right].237[/TD]

[TD=align: right].408[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]

[TD=align: right]1990 .155[/TD]

[TD=align: right].162[/TD]

[TD=align: right].213[/TD]

[TD=align: right].375[/TD]

[/TABLE]

greengoblinrulz · July 9, 2012

Twins should have won this. I blame Gardenhire for leaving Perkins in for too long.

Who do you put in.....Gardy already decided, even with the 4 day break, that the game wasnt important enough to risk pitching Jaret Burton. Gardy lost this game before it started with that attitude.

CDog · July 9, 2012

Some 0-2 count stuff, league as a whole.

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[TD=align: right][/TD]
[TD=align: right][/TD]
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Interesting. That ON 0-2 or AFTER 0-2? (I'm lazy and semi-busy or I'd just look it up.)

snepp · July 9, 2012

Those numbers were strictly 'on' 0-2.

greengoblinrulz · July 9, 2012

Some 0-2 count stuff, league as a whole.

[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TH=class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center]Year BA
[/TH]
[TH=class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center]OBP
[/TH]
[TH=class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center]SLG
[/TH]
[TH=class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center]OPS
[/TH]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2012 .148
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].155
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].221
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].376
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2011 .152
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].160
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].217
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].377
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TR=class: hl]
[TD=align: right]2010 .156
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].165
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].220
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].385
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2009 .156
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].164
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].221
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].385
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2008 .160
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].170
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].230
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].401
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2007 .166
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].177
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].235
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].412
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2006 .168
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].178
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].244
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].422
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2005 .164
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].173
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].237
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].409
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2004 .165
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].175
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].246
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].421
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2003 .159
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].170
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].230
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].400
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2002 .160
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].170
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].233
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].402
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2001 .159
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].171
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].236
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].407
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]2000 .161
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].171
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].237
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].408
[/TD]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=class: sortable stats_table]
[TD=align: right]1990 .155
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].162
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].213
[/TD]
[TD=align: right].375
[/TD]
[/TABLE]

If you watched SAT's game, you'ld know Mitch Williams believes you should always waste a pitch on an 0-2 count.

Again, when it can be disputed with numbers....makes ya look like an idiot.

CDog · July 9, 2012

Those numbers were strictly 'on' 0-2.

After I asked, I sorta figured based on just how bad they were. So much for figuring out the motives since the crime appears not to have happened!

DaveW · July 9, 2012

Disappointing loss, but at least De Vries looked good.

The defense let em down tonight.

greengoblinrulz · July 9, 2012

Personally I dont blame Dozier one bit for the loss.

Twins led 3-1 with 1 out & nobody on with their current/future closer out there. I get the whole 4 outs thing, but a pitcher cannot give up unearned runs without takin blame either (unless the error directly affected the run). Pitchers need to man up too.

July 9, 2012

I don't get blaming Gardenhire for this loss. At all. He had the right pitcher in the game, at the right time. The pitcher didn't get the job done. That ain't on Gardy.

Maybe I'm old school, but in my day, a pitcher used to get fined for giving up hard contact on 0-2, much less a hit.

DaveW · July 9, 2012

I don't get blaming Gardenhire for this loss. At all. He had the right pitcher in the game, at the right time. The pitcher didn't get the job done. That ain't on Gardy.

Maybe I'm old school, but in my day, a pitcher used to get fined for giving up hard contact on 0-2, much less a hit.

Yup, best reliver was on the mound at the time. At that point its "his" game. Ya win some ya lose some.

This was a rough first half no doubt, but there have been some positives to take away: Plouffe, Mauer, Willingham, Doumit, Span, Revere have all been producing very well, Morneau is at least healthy and Dozier well, shows flashes here and there. The bullpen has been very good all season and the rotation, while a mess has produced some bright spots at points Diamond, Liriano, Walters are 3 guys if chosen to could be a decent set up to a 2013 rotation (3,4,5) still need a 1,2 but its getting better.

Also since May 27th the Twins have had a 21-16 record, 17-12 since Jun 2nd so there is some hope they can finish with 75 or so wins, which is far from great but something to build on heading into 2013.

snepp · July 9, 2012

Maybe I'm old

Maybe?

a-wan · July 9, 2012

Maybe?

Yeah, like Sid Hartman only being newly minted into AARP...

Anyone else sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for Capps to come back??

Brock Beauchamp · July 9, 2012

Ugh. I can't believe they lost that game. I checked in on my phone in the ninth, saw, they had a lead, and went to sleep.

Probably for the best.

DPJ · July 9, 2012

I'm shocked Gardy hasn't lost his mind over Dozier's glove and lack of hitting.

Maybe he's just doesn't care anymore, but Bartlett would be sent back to A-ball if he played as ****ty as Doz has.

July 9, 2012

Maybe?

And to think I worried about you when you went missing.

While I think of it, get off my lawn.

ashbury · July 9, 2012

Twins led 3-1 with 1 out & nobody on with their current/future closer out there.

This.

ashbury · July 9, 2012

While I think of it, get off my lawn.

We're grilling burgers tonight. Can I have one of the onions from your belt?

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