Arcia and Rosario

[Winston Smith]

Package Arcia with whatever it takes to get Vogt. Billy has made dumber trades.

[DocBauer]

Did Crazy Eddie put you up to this?

[kab21]

As of right now I would send Buxton to the minors when healthy.  As for Arcia I want to see more sustained success before calling him up and hoping that things will be different this time.

[Brock Beauchamp]

And I assume Arcia will keep k'ing.

And that's okay. He's a 24 year old with a career 103 OPS+. Why is everyone so scared to let that guy hit?

[drjim]

And that's okay. He's a 24 year old with a career 103 OPS+. Why is everyone so scared to let that guy hit?

Because he isn't exactly dominating AAA in a way that inspires confidence that he can contribute in the bigs, especially because he brings nothing else to the table.

 

Nothing wrong with him in the minors getting reps and coming up if/when there is an opening.

 

He'll get a chance later in the year too.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Because he isn't exactly dominating AAA in a way that inspires confidence that he can contribute in the bigs, especially because he brings nothing else to the table.

Nothing wrong with him in the minors getting reps and coming up if/when there is an opening.

He'll get a chance later in the year too.

 

Probably, but we are running out of time with Arcia and we may be boxing ourselves into a really tough decision very soon given his options.

[DaveW]

Why do people just assume dozier can suddenly play SS?

[Madre Dos]

I am going to guess that after Eddie took a line drive off of his face during batting practice in the minors  - that the chances of him being moved back into the IF are slim and none.

[DaveW]

Eddie was moved off of 2nd because he just wasn't very good there. IIRC he was only loved there originally due to a huge lack of 2B in the Twins org, the expirement didn't work out which is fine, Rosario is still a very niceOF.

 

I'm sorry, but you don't make your defense poor by playing guys out of position just to get Arcia at bats, that's foolish.

[drjim]

Probably, but we are running out of time with Arcia and we may be boxing ourselves into a really tough decision very soon given his options.

So what? Better, more well rounded players have passed him up.

[TheLeviathan]

 

So what? Better, more well rounded players have passed him up.

 

Shane Robinson did that?  When?

[jokin]

 

And I assume Arcia will keep k'ing.

 

And homer-ing.

[drjim]

Shane Robinson did that? When?

Arcia is going to be a pinch runner and defensive replacement and start once a week? That's your solution?

[TheLeviathan]

 

Arcia is going to be a pinch runner and defensive replacement and start once a week? That's your solution?

 

I don't feel the need to put anyone in as a defensive replacement in our current outfield. .  Pinch running can be handled by Nunez/Escobar/Santana. 

 

I'd rather have his bat up here to mix in from time to time, probably 3 or 4 times a week.

[USAFChief]

How much value does a pinch runner bring anyway?

[kab21]

The point isn't that Robinson is valuable as a PR.  The point is that somebody needs to be the 25th player that doesn't play but is available.  Arcia shouldn't be that guy.  Robinson has 5 PA's this month.  Nunez hasn't played in the OF this month.  Escobar has started 1 game in the OF this month.  Santana hasn't played in the OF this month.  Mixing him in from time to time isn't going to happen and he should be in AAA until a starting spot opens up due to injury or someone else being sent down.

[kab21]

 

Eddie was moved off of 2nd because he just wasn't very good there. IIRC he was only loved there originally due to a huge lack of 2B in the Twins org, the expirement didn't work out which is fine, Rosario is still a very niceOF.

I'm sorry, but you don't make your defense poor by playing guys out of position just to get Arcia at bats, that's foolish.

I am not convinced that Eddie would have moved off of 2B if the following two things didn't happen.  #1 - Dozier broke out and locked down 2B blocking Eddie at the position (and Polanco became a better MI prospect behind him)  #2 - The Twins OF didn't completely fall apart last season and that became a position of need for the foreseeable future.

 

Yes, his defense wasn't very good but I think he would still be there if the Twins had a black hole of ineptitude there and hoping/praying that anyone would be decent enough to actually look like an MLB starter.

[jokin]

 

Arcia is going to be a pinch runner and defensive replacement and start once a week? That's your solution?

 

The point isn't that Robinson is valuable as a PR.  The point is that somebody needs to be the 25th player that doesn't play but is available.  Arcia shouldn't be that guy.  Robinson has 5 PA's this month.  Nunez hasn't played in the OF this month.  Escobar has started 1 game in the OF this month.  Santana hasn't played in the OF this month.  Mixing him in from time to time isn't going to happen and he should be in AAA until a starting spot opens up due to injury or someone else being sent down.

 

What all this tells me is a lot of wasted and redundant bench infield players, and short one major league hitting OF.

 

And that not ":mixing (Arcia) in" (and moving out one of the 4 above) would be a mistake in maximizing bench utility. For example, Nunez as now the new 25th man, plus adding a LH power bat, in this scenario is a nice net upgrade.

[kab21]

I'm not sure how you took that out of context but the OF'ers are playing everyday.  That is the point.  There aren't days off and AB's going to the wasted and redundant bench players that could otherwise go to Arcia.  Those bench players are getting their AB's in the infield. 

 

I would like to add a LH power bat to the bench but not Arcia.  Arcia should play everyday when called up.

[drjim]

 

How much value does a pinch runner bring anyway?

 

Minimal, which is why a veteran making the minimum takes it and not a still developing prospect.

 

If there was room for Arcia to play almost every day he would be up. He's not as good as the current options.

[USAFChief]

I wouldnt give one thought to "Arcia needs to play every day."

 

Arcia is 24. He has been in professional baseball since 2008. He has over 850 MLB PAs. He's out of options in 2016. The AAA season is over in a month and a half. He's a better hitter on the bench than Robinson. The Twins are in a postseason chase. Hunter could use a day off per week. Plouffe too, maybe twice a month, against a tough RHer.

 

There are opportunities to get Arcia 6-8 PAs per week, all the expense of losing Shane Robinson, who does basically nothing.

 

And people are seriously more worried about an extra 100 PAs in Rochester?

[kab21]

No, I'm worried that Arcia can't consistently hit when he plays everyday.  I think he is set up to fail getting 6-8 PA's/wk.  I would try to set prospects up to succeed.

[jokin]

 

I'm not sure how you took that out of context but the OF'ers are playing everyday.  That is the point.  There aren't days off and AB's going to the wasted and redundant bench players that could otherwise go to Arcia.  Those bench players are getting their AB's in the infield. 

 

I would like to add a LH power bat to the bench but not Arcia.  Arcia should play everyday when called up.

 

Except that by adding Arcia, you now can rotate your OFers with a day off here and there. Hunter is 40 and needs a couple days off per week to stay fresh. Santana, Escobar or Nunez can be the late innings defensive/replacement or PR.  

 

Plenty of scenarios have already been laid out for Arcia to get in the starting lineup 3-4 times per week. 

[USAFChief]

No, I'm worried that Arcia can't consistently hit when he plays everyday. I think he is set up to fail getting 6-8 PA's/wk. I would try to set prospects up to succeed.

If he's failing already (can't hit when he plays everyday), do we care if he's not playing every day?

 

Myself, Im more worried about the Twins 2015 W-L record anyway than the small chance a hundred less PAs sets up Arcia for failure.

[jokin]

 

 

 

If there was room for Arcia to play almost every day he would be up. He's not as good as the current options.

 

But he's a lot better in the area where he actually would be utilized.  And there are simple paths to getting him in the starting lineup 3-4 days per week- the Blue Jays are doing this type of thing with some success in the very competitive AL East.*

 

(PECOTA projects that the Blue Jays will have the best True Average in MLB over the remainder of the season @ .282. And as a result, at least partially, are also projected to have the highest Runs Scored and the best record in the AL over the remainder of the season. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/ )

 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I wouldnt give one thought to "Arcia needs to play every day."

Arcia is 24. He has been in professional baseball since 2008. He has over 850 MLB PAs. He's out of options in 2016. The AAA season is over in a month and a half. He's a better hitter on the bench than Robinson. The Twins are in a postseason chase. Hunter could use a day off per week. Plouffe too, maybe twice a month, against a tough RHer.

There are opportunities to get Arcia 6-8 PAs per week, all the expense of losing Shane Robinson, who does basically nothing.

And people are seriously more worried about an extra 100 PAs in Rochester?

Yeah, pretty much all of this. I generally skew on the conservative side when it comes to prospects and development but Arcia doesn't need to be handled with kid gloves.

 

Arcia's biggest problem is staying on the field and his hitting "issues" are way overblown on this board. For all the teeth-gnashing over Oswaldo's flaws, he had a 98 OPS+ in a short stint this season and has a career 103 OPS+.

 

That's not a guy you need to molly-coddle. You need to get him MLB at-bats as often as possible, especially if you're contending because that's a valuable bat to have on the team.

 

Are we really worried that Oswaldo is going to miss out on learning how to crush AAA hitting for the fourth time? Already seen that, thanks. I'm pretty sure he has a handle on AAA pitching at this point, as evidenced by his .900-ish OPS over ~430-ish PAs in Rochester.

[howieramone2]

 

Yeah, pretty much all of this. I generally skew on the conservative side when it comes to prospects and development but Arcia doesn't need to be handled with kid gloves.

 

Arcia's biggest problem is staying on the field and his hitting "issues" are way overblown on this board. For all the teeth-gnashing over Oswaldo's flaws, he had a 98 OPS+ in a short stint this season and has a career 103 OPS+.

 

That's not a guy you need to molly-coddle. You need to get him MLB at-bats as often as possible, especially if you're contending because that's a valuable bat to have on the team.

 

Are we really worried that Oswaldo is going to miss out on learning how to crush AAA hitting for the fourth time? Already seen that, thanks. I'm pretty sure he has a handle on AAA pitching at this point, as evidenced by his .900-ish OPS over ~430-ish PAs in Rochester.

This may be his last rodeo. I certainly feel we will need him at some point in time this year, but since his future with our favorite team, may well at a crossroad, I'm content to defer to those who see him play every day. I'm not uncertain it's not at least partially his glove, that's holding him up.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

This may be his last rodeo. I certainly feel we will need him at some point in time this year, but since his future with our favorite team, may well at a crossroad, I'm content to defer to those who see him play every day. I'm not uncertain it's not at least partially his glove, that's holding him up.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Twins are hesitant about his glove but Oswaldo has nothing to learn in Rochester. After struggling to come back after his injury, he has posted a 1.234 OPS in July.

 

The Twins need that guy on their roster. If he's going to sink or swim, it's going to happen in Minnesota, not Rochester. The guy has absolutely demolished AAA pitching three times in three seasons. He needs to stick in Minnesota.

[howieramone2]

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the Twins are hesitant about his glove but Oswaldo has nothing to learn in Rochester. After struggling to come back after his injury, he has posted a 1.234 OPS in July.

 

The Twins need that guy on their roster. If he's going to sink or swim, it's going to happen in Minnesota, not Rochester. The guy has absolutely demolished AAA pitching three times in three seasons. He needs to stick in Minnesota.

I'm very uncomfortable with the words, has nothing left to learn, when it involves a 24 year-old who seemingly has the tools, but still shows a weak glove. I agree he's going to sink or swim in Minnesota, or possibly Boston.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I'm very uncomfortable with the words, has nothing left to learn, when it involves a 24 year-old who seemingly has the tools, but still shows a weak glove. I agree he's going to sink or swim in Minnesota, or possibly Boston.

That's fair. He has things left to learn but his bat could help the team today and his offense needs to grow at the MLB level, not AAA. He's just teeing off down there... Again.

 

Ultimately, I think it's a moot point because Minnesota needs someone to replace Sano. Arcia is the logical choice.