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Lets go big!!


Doc Munson

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There have been a number of wild posts that are not based in any sort of reality. This is another of those.

Twins should sign Verlander, Correa (I would prefer Turner but let's stick with Correa), and Judge. Because of course it is only that easy.  lol...

 

But.., they CAN afford it.

Reason #1, 

Verlander's deal will be no more than 3 years, so that will come and go before you know it and not impact long-term roster building.  the other 2... well that is a different story.

Reason #2

A with any other Twins roster, we do not have many other big contracts on the books, and we have some young guys coming up who will be on the cheap for a few years.

3B = Miranda has 5 years of control

1B/OF = Kirilloff, Larnach, Wallner  1 or 2 of these guys should stick around for the next 4-5 years on the cheap.

CF = Buxton is here, and contract could be pricey, but that just means he is playing MVP caliber,

2B = Arraez the batting title and AS will give him a good raise but still 3 years of ARB. (And could be a great trade piece in another year with another big season, if Lee/Lewis ready)

Prospects = Speaking of Lee & Lewis. Lee is a recent draft pick but showing he is the real deal and should/could move fast. the "should" is other organizations would fast track him, the "could" is because, well this is the Twins and he is not 24 yet so he may not be ready. where to play??? 2B? 3B? SS? OF?

Dsposables = Kepler, Polanco (sorry, but yes this one hurts me too) Neither are overly expensive, btu there are just simply better, more cost effective options. As mentioned, Kirilloff, Wallner, Larnach all could put up similar, if nto superior offensive numbers at a lesser salary. Defense maybe not, but if we get Judge then really this is moot.  But Kepler should be gone regardless.  Polanco was still a quality player, and I would not give ANY thoughts of moving him if it were for Arraez, Lewis & Lee. Arraez played 1B out of necessity. That is not a long term home. neither is 3B with Wallner, or SS with Correa (or Lewis or Lee) so if we keep Polanco, then where exactly does the AL batting leader get his ABs?  This is why you mov a fairly valuable 2B in Polanco for some more young pitching..

Onthe pitching side we have few big contracts. as well. Sonny Gray for $12.7 is chump change for an ace. Maeda at $3M+ incentives, Ryan & Ober are both still pre-arb. and lets say Mahle gets a small raise to about $7M in arb. that is a 5 man rotation totaling around $24M.

 

So roughly (leaving holes for the three mentioned above) using MLBTraderumors ARB estimates

1B = Kiriloff = $750k

2B = Arraez = $5M

SS = ??

3B = Miranda = $750K

LF = Larnach/Gordon = $750K

CF = BUxton =$15M

RF = ??

C = Jeffers =$750K

DH = Wallner = $750K

That is a lineup minus SS & RF for around $24M

 

Combine that with a rotation of around $24M and factor in a bullpen for around $10-12M.

and you have a good young team at about $58-60M with 3 holes left to fill. Assuming a similar year end total of about $160M. and that leaves about $90M (after filling other bench roles)

Now plug Correa and Judge into that lineup and it is a scary good lineup.

plug Verlander into the top of this rotation and if Ryan continues to pitch well (and has Verlander as a mentor) that bumps Sonny Gray to our #2 starter, Rayn is a phenomenal #3,  Maeda as a #4 is outstanding, and Mahle/Ober as a #5/6.  yeah Ill take that.

 

Of course this WON'T happen.. All  am saying is it COULD!!

 

 

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Nicely done Doc Munson ! Judge is a pipe dream, but Correa is indeed possible.  You laid out how "affordable" the bulk of this roster is.  Moving Polanco for SP'ing frees up even more money to be spent elsewhere.  Maybe a trade could be made where the Twins take on a bigger contract to fill a void.  For example, but not necessarily THE trade:  Acquire Kris Bryant from the Rockies to be our RH hitting LF'er.  In a deal like this, Colorado would have to to chip in a sizeable portion of his salary.  How desperate are the Rockies to mitigate some of that salary pressure ?  It's not a perfect scenario because Bryant is as injury prone as Buxton, but imagine if he was healthy and playing 140 games?  

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Love your line up Doc. Verlander & Correa would be great mentors to help leave their legacy with MN. Only fault I see is the defense. Right now we don't have any depth at 2B, after Polanco we have no one. Putting Arraez at 2B would be disasterous. Even when the shift was legal too many GB would bleed by Arraez on the right side. Now with it being illegal, any positive offense from Arraez would be completely wiped out & then some with him at 2B.

Although many people don't like Arraez's profile at 1B or DH that's where his lack of range better suits him. If Kiriloff plays more 1B (where he's better suited), to give Arraez more ABs, they should work with him at 3B to improve his hands.

I'm not against trading Polanco but Arraez & Gordon are not options; Martin, Juliens & Lewis won't be ready (depending on unproven AA prospects would be very irresponsible). If we do resolve to trade Polanco my choice for 2B would be Luis Guillorne ($1.5M) in a small trade with NYM. He profiles as a SS which could be a safety net if we don't land Correa. Guilorne's OBP is simular to Arraez.

I'd also like an upgrade at catcher.

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Well Damn…

 

you have sort of stolen my thunder, but I’m going to ahead with my idea as it is more audacious than yours when we get down to the bottom line 

😂😂

 

💪💪 financial muscle will be flexed 

 

muhahahaha

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If I owned the Twins, I would instruct my FO to do offer just what you suggested. All three (Judge, Correa and Verlander) are class individuals and are "winners". If this is affordable, why sign lesser accomplished players? I'd prefer Rodon for 5 years ,  in lieu of Verlander for 2 years. 

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17 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

If I owned the Twins, I would instruct my FO to do offer just what you suggested. All three (Judge, Correa and Verlander) are class individuals and are "winners". If this is affordable, why sign lesser accomplished players? I'd prefer Rodon for 5 years ,  in lieu of Verlander for 2 years. 

I'd go after Willson Contreras big time.  Twins need a catcher and he's top of the line.  I'd also go after Carlos Rodon.  Correa would be icing on the cake.

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I fully agree but my order of preference 1st sign Correa, 2nd sign Contreras or 1 of the top 4 or 5 FA catchers, then trade with the Marlins for Lopez & Cabrera two young pitchers for Larnach, Kepler. & mid-range prospect. This would leave Kirilloff,, Wallner or Martin for rf & lf  & 4th of.

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Could you imagine the sound of 29 jaws collectively hitting the ground around the league if the Twins actually managed to pull this off? This would be like the Parise/Suter signing without the 'poison pill' of the back end of the deals. San Diego East baby!

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On 11/13/2022 at 8:43 AM, TopGunn#22 said:

Nicely done Doc Munson ! Judge is a pipe dream, but Correa is indeed possible.  You laid out how "affordable" the bulk of this roster is.  Moving Polanco for SP'ing frees up even more money to be spent elsewhere.  Maybe a trade could be made where the Twins take on a bigger contract to fill a void.  For example, but not necessarily THE trade:  Acquire Kris Bryant from the Rockies to be our RH hitting LF'er.  In a deal like this, Colorado would have to to chip in a sizeable portion of his salary.  How desperate are the Rockies to mitigate some of that salary pressure ?  It's not a perfect scenario because Bryant is as injury prone as Buxton, but imagine if he was healthy and playing 140 games?  

Have Always Loved Kris Bryant!! maybe between Buxton and Bryant they could get a combined full season of AB's hehe

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On 11/13/2022 at 12:25 PM, Doctor Gast said:

Love your line up Doc. Verlander & Correa would be great mentors to help leave their legacy with MN. Only fault I see is the defense. Right now we don't have any depth at 2B, after Polanco we have no one. Putting Arraez at 2B would be disasterous. Even when the shift was legal too many GB would bleed by Arraez on the right side. Now with it being illegal, any positive offense from Arraez would be completely wiped out & then some with him at 2B.

Although many people don't like Arraez's profile at 1B or DH that's where his lack of range better suits him. If Kiriloff plays more 1B (where he's better suited), to give Arraez more ABs, they should work with him at 3B to improve his hands.

I'm not against trading Polanco but Arraez & Gordon are not options; Martin, Juliens & Lewis won't be ready (depending on unproven AA prospects would be very irresponsible). If we do resolve to trade Polanco my choice for 2B would be Luis Guillorne ($1.5M) in a small trade with NYM. He profiles as a SS which could be a safety net if we don't land Correa. Guilorne's OBP is simular to Arraez.

I'd also like an upgrade at catcher.

I guess I keep forgetting how poor of a fielder Arraez is.

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On 11/13/2022 at 2:18 PM, EGFTShaw said:

Well Damn…

 

you have sort of stolen my thunder, but I’m going to ahead with my idea as it is more audacious than yours when we get down to the bottom line 

😂😂

 

💪💪 financial muscle will be flexed 

 

muhahahaha

well I guess great minds think alike.  hehe  would love to see yours!!  

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What you and most others are forgetting is the rule change banning the Shift. That could add 30-40 pts to Keplers average! And stop counting Larnach as a lock. He is very limited in the outfield and it appears the league has figured him out at the plate. Can't hit any type of breaking ball. Could be the next Sano!!

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