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  1. KirbyDome89
    Zero chance Gordon is an every day OFer. What are you doing with Larnach, or even Kepler, if you're going to pencil Gordon in out there? All those meaningless games to end 2021 were a chance for Gordon to play SS. Right or wrong, the Twins opted not to go that route, it's clear they don't view him as capable of handling the position. If you have to platoon a guy at SS, he isn't a SS.
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    I get that, the plate is a stand in for whatever health concerns are supposedly causing the delay. Personally, I'm not sure why he would refuse. If a medical professional recommended a look, if for no reason other than to remove any doubt/fear, I'd agree without hesitation but yes, he has the option to decline. If you're the Twins, and you're serious about committing to him long term, why would you not to erase any doubt as well? Why put him back on the field and risk something happening during a handful of meaningless games? Why not have as much info as possible at your disposal? I don't know why a team that's concerned enough to make Correa a healthy scratch wouldn't be hyper cautious about a surgically repaired ankle. "Every team has multiple pitchers get hurt," is such an oversimplification. Every team takes risks relative to their normal operating procedures, or every team gambles on Paddack and Mahle in a 4 month window? Those are two different things.
  3. KirbyDome89
    I have no clue how insurance is actually involved. Sure, but being skeptical isn't the same thing as being unrealistic or interpreting the situation in only the worst possible light. I agree SF and NY had more at risk, but I don't think Correa underwent a radically different physical with any of the 3 teams in this discussion.
  4. KirbyDome89
    Are you suggesting Mahle's shoulder issues in MN weren't related to one that shelved him in Cincinnati a few weeks before he was acquired? I think that's a more difficult sell. You really can't see the difference between trading for somebody with an injury history who is currently healthy/pitching vs. somebody who has a history, was shelved for the remainder of the previous season with that same type of injury, and hasn't thrown since? Don't let me stop you from arguing to the extreme though.
  5. KirbyDome89
    Is the plate not what this long term angst is about? Were they aware prior to the season that long term his ankle looks to be an issue? He has a surgically repaired ankle, had to leave the game after a slide, publicly comment about the fact he were scared when they felt the ankle "vibrate," and if you're MN he's supposedly FA target No. 1. None of that merits anything other than a quick thumbs up? This is a team that had him on scheduled rest days, you really don't think they had any interest in a closer look? Ok. Why would they offer 10/285 if they knew what SF or NY recently found? He didn't sign with the Mets last year, and he wasn't a Met when he slid and irritated the plate in his ankle. I doubt we need to go down the financial road either. It's apples and oranges. Trading for two pitchers recently injured pitchers within 4 months and getting 9 combined starts is not out of the norm because other players get hurt too. I'll just disagree.
  6. KirbyDome89
    I think it's missing the part I already mentioned following Correa's comments about that uncomfortable feeling. Do you believe the Twins were aware of his potentially balky ankle prior to the season starting? Do you believe they examined his ankle after the slide and were ok with what they saw? We just watched acquisitions flop due to health issues that each had prior to joining the team, but yes, how unrealistic to think the Twins weren't aware of whatever SF or NY found.....
  7. KirbyDome89
    Paddack's 2021 ended with elbow issues and he'd already undergone TJ once. Mahle spent time on the IL with shoulder inflammation just before the deadline. I think we have an idea....
  8. KirbyDome89
    So the same team that watched the Paddack and Mahle acquisitions blow up in their faces was so far ahead of the curve when it came to Correa that they were fully aware of whatever issues his future potentially held, and simultaneously certain that those issues wouldn't surface during a 3 year deal? Ok. After the slide incident and his post game "vibrating," comment, Correa played a bunch of meaningless games and the Twins apparently felt comfortable enough to offer him 10/285. Those are decisions that a team makes with full understanding of his ankle aliment prior to the season? If it's really the "worst possible light," to say the Twins didn't have a solid grasp then guilty as charged I guess. We're using a routine slide from this season as the launching pad for what could go wrong, but there isn't concern in the short term? I don't think the cliff is as easy to pinpoint as you seem to believe, i.e. "we're safe for 3 years, but watch out in year 6."
  9. KirbyDome89
    I haven't seen the term incompetent being thrown around. Yeah, it was a 1 year deal assuming health & production, and I buy that MN was willing to risk some kind of freak injury, but I have a more difficult time believing an uberconservative team like the Twins was equally aware of the ankle, and they were $70M sure it wouldn't be an issue. I don't have a strong background in medical science, but that type of predictability (year 2-3 with MN vs. some permutation of years 3-9 elsewhere) seems off to me. They were fine with gambling on Paddack and Mahle, so maybe they just don't view short term risk as that big of a deal, but the money is where I'm hung up.
  10. KirbyDome89
    Weren't those later years considered a wash anyways?
  11. KirbyDome89
    Until a few days ago the Mets role in the Correa sweepstakes was unknown, but as it turns out, they had initially outbid MN as well. What info do you have that would indicate Correa was ready to sign a deal for 10/285?
  12. KirbyDome89
    AAV doesn't matter, CC is going to make more money during the length of his Mets deal than he would've in MN. What is it about the extra years + extra money that's so difficult to grasp? Yes, CC's opportunities to earn off the field are much greater in NY. Also yes, the Mets paid him more than the Twins.
  13. KirbyDome89
    What mystery team was going to jump in and beat NY's offer? Was Boras in a hurry, or did he get the best possible offer and advise Correa to say yes? Passing because you refuse to spend isn't due diligence.
  14. KirbyDome89
    You might be right, but to me that just points to an unwillingness to spend that I previously mentioned, not due diligence.
  15. KirbyDome89
    If the money spooked them, is not cold feet? Whether it's insurance, an owner stepping in, ect it doesn't matter.
  16. KirbyDome89
    "If Minnesota wanted Correa, Boras conveyed, the team needed to improve its earlier offer – even though Correa appeared compromised with the Giants. The Twins would not have advanced the conversation without investigating the potential issues caused by Correa’s physical." What else would the bolded imply?
  17. KirbyDome89
    There might not have been money left at the table. Boras could've read "I need some time," as the beginning stage of a breakup and decided to get out in front of it.
  18. KirbyDome89
    "So there you have it. I'm not sure anyone can hold the Twins front office at fault in this situation, given that they merely appear to have been doing their due diligence." He would've undergone a physical last year in MN. The article mentions that the Twins had "a solid understanding of Correa’s medical history, having just employed him," and that the leg injury he suffered in the minors has never caused him to miss time in 8 ML seasons. The Mets were also a team that passed on Paddack last year due to medical concerns, but now the Twins being outbid by the Mets is "due diligence?" That's a fairly massive spin job. I'm gonna call BS on the idea that the Twins were eager and/or willing to jump back in and spend the money it would've taken to sign Correa. Why would Boras wait on a team that was still $30M short, and had zero intention of even getting to $300M? How many other teams were actually in on Correa, and of them, how many had enough room in their budget to throw a better offer at him than NY? Isn't MN's unwillingness to spend, and NY's enthusiasm to do so a much more plausible explanation than some mysterious malady which hasn't affected Correa in nearly a decade, and was completely off the Twins radar during both their own physical and the entirety of the year he played for the organization?
  19. KirbyDome89
    I'm honestly curious, where does Correa start to look bad here? Short of sabotaging his own physical (not sure how that's possible) it was SF who decided to press pause. I can certainly see a scenario where things got contentious, especially after the non-presser and news getting out, but if I'm CC, and a team that promised me $350 a week ago decided to come back talk about a lesser offer I'd probably be pissed too.
  20. KirbyDome89
    Weren't the Mets the same team that passed on Paddock because of his medical report? Either they view the Correa issue totally different than SF (not impossible,) they're desperate for that "final piece," to get them over the hump, or maybe SF actually got cold feet. Either way it's pretty wild. What was your favorite CC Giants moment?
  21. KirbyDome89
    Yeah I'm not suggesting anything nefarious, but 7 days seems like a long time if you'd even remotely consider nixing the deal. I guess we'll have to wait and see what/how serious the hold up is. Swanson is also in agreement though no? The Cubs would have to find a physical reason to fail him and move on similar to what Vanimal mentioned, so they're technically off the board barring that happening right?
  22. KirbyDome89
    How does it take SF this long to get a medical report? If I'm Correa, or even Boras, and I've watched Swanson sign thus removing a potential suitor, and meanwhile SF took a week and decided to press pause...ehhh yeah. Does the PA get involved if SF decides to pull the plug here? Idk how there isn't some kind of deal still worked out between the two sides at this point.
  23. KirbyDome89
    I doubt anybody is high on the signing to begin with, but I like it a lot less if Gallo is a depth move. You can maybe sell fans on him being a higher upside play than Kepler. Maybe a package of Kepler + fills a different hole on this roster. That's at least a semi creative way of using the $$ resources at your disposal. Keeping both players feel like a "throw it against the wall and see what sticks approach."
  24. KirbyDome89
    It's not halftime, the game is over. The FO can try to salvage this offseason and bring in talent via trade, but that will require parting with talent at the major league level, or from an already thin farm. There's no winning when you had ample $$ and passed on spending any of it on impact, or even solidly above average players. A team that claims to rely so heavily on developing talent continues to put themselves in a position where they have to trade prospects just to plug holes and tread water at the ML level. Make that make sense....
  25. KirbyDome89
    Nobody is saying FA is anything other than a supplement. Nobody. You need to understand that, and argue in good faith. It won't fix the development issues, but it can certainly lessen their impact. Is the current strategy of signing bottom tier arms anything other than bad? How many years should this club potentially burn waiting for the stars to align as far as developing a staff goes?
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