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  1. KirbyDome89
    The Twins might've been serious about signing him for $285M, but before he failed 2 physicals we all knew that number wasn't going to get it done. Unless we want to believe this team can tell the future, I don't think that offer was seriously entertained at any point. I'm glad Correa is back. I think the FO stumbled into this opportunity, but they took advantage, so credit where it's due.
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    So the Twins need to trade from a bottom tier farm for more short term pitching? Hard pass. Same goes for Machado. Good luck coming up with the kind of package SD would command for Tatis, it's not even worth thinking about. SD is looking to compete, and they control Kim essentially through his prime. At worst, he's a solid utility option and Bogaerts insurance at SS. Idk why they'd be in a hurry to move him this year, i.e. it's likely they'll need to be blown away to let him go. Is that the type of asking price MN should meet for a solid but unspectacular SS?
  3. KirbyDome89
    Holy cope, are you actually arguing that the Twins knew SF and NY would balk after verbally agreeing to deals? The Twins were $65M, then $30M short, and never once got to $300M, a number nearly everybody thought was the starting point for acquiring Correa, but they didn't misread the market? The FO had, and by some accounts still does have, full control; they just have to spend the actual $$ it'll take to secure Correa's services.
  4. KirbyDome89
    Correa's earning potential at 38 won't be remotely close to what it currently is at 28, and that gap between what type of AAV he can command now vs. down the road is much more important than the value of the dollar 10 years vs. 12-13 years from now. It's not even close to a wash.
  5. KirbyDome89
    Agreed, which to me disqualifies their initial offer as "good," when they came up well short 2x. If Correa does end up signing for something close to what MN offered, it'll be due to circumstances well outside of the Twins' control and understanding.
  6. KirbyDome89
    It did prior to the physical. Again, you either have to believe the Twins could forecast the future, and knew multiple deals would fall through, or they missed twice and might back their way into a signing. One scenario is much more likely than the other.
  7. KirbyDome89
    The years don't matter. Why people refuse to acknowledge this Idk. A 40 year old Correa isn't signing a deal for anywhere close to $30M AAV, even though the value of that amount won't be equivalent to today. It's not about optics, it's about maximizing the money while he's at the peak of his earning potential.
  8. KirbyDome89
    It absolutely does if you're going to argue that their initial offer was a good one. If they didn't know SF would back out, then no, coming up $65M short wasn't a proper valuation.
  9. KirbyDome89
    You honestly believe the Twins knew SF and then NY would outbid them and then renege? I mean c'mon....
  10. KirbyDome89
    It was $30M less. Pretty big difference no?
  11. KirbyDome89
    Ryan doesn't belong on this list. I agree that people don't seem to realize how bad he was against playoff caliber teams, or that nearly 1/3 of his starts came against Detroit and KC, but I think we're forgetting the questions about his ability to stick as a SP due to his lack of a secondary pitch and his low velocity. Barring some massive regression there shouldn't be any doubt about him as a back end guy at this point. That's a W, and obviously one of the better scenarios. There's a weird push to force him into the middle or upper echelon of the rotation. Idk if that stems from his Opening Day start or just general fan hype, but I don't think that was ever a realistic goal. Maybe he exceeds expectations, and that'd be great, but right now he's basically what we could've hoped for when the trade was made so I don't think there's anything for him to prove. Conversely, we've got guy like Emilio Pagan who needs to prove that gambling on his "stuff," isn't another massive waste of a roster spot. Tyler Mahle, Kenta Maeda, and Josh Winder need to prove they can stay healthy and be productive.
  12. KirbyDome89
    The entire point of the article is that relying on "fliers everyone knew were lotto tix or make good deals," year over year hasn't worked out. Do you have an actual counterpoint, or are you just upset that people are talking about the issue?
  13. KirbyDome89
    I was wondering how far down I'd have to scroll to see "former...." and "leadership," mentioned. As it turns out, not very far.
  14. KirbyDome89
    If the Twins view Gallo as a better upside version of Gordon from the left side of the plate (a very real possibility) with better defensive prowess in CF, i.e. Buxton insurance, they definitely could make a case for keeping Kepler. I'm not saying it's a move I love, but I don't think Kepler is a lock to be traded. I also doubt the Twins want to lock Larnach (or anybody really) into the DH role for nearly half the season.
  15. KirbyDome89
    Zero chance Gordon is an every day OFer. What are you doing with Larnach, or even Kepler, if you're going to pencil Gordon in out there? All those meaningless games to end 2021 were a chance for Gordon to play SS. Right or wrong, the Twins opted not to go that route, it's clear they don't view him as capable of handling the position. If you have to platoon a guy at SS, he isn't a SS.
  16. KirbyDome89
    I get that, the plate is a stand in for whatever health concerns are supposedly causing the delay. Personally, I'm not sure why he would refuse. If a medical professional recommended a look, if for no reason other than to remove any doubt/fear, I'd agree without hesitation but yes, he has the option to decline. If you're the Twins, and you're serious about committing to him long term, why would you not to erase any doubt as well? Why put him back on the field and risk something happening during a handful of meaningless games? Why not have as much info as possible at your disposal? I don't know why a team that's concerned enough to make Correa a healthy scratch wouldn't be hyper cautious about a surgically repaired ankle. "Every team has multiple pitchers get hurt," is such an oversimplification. Every team takes risks relative to their normal operating procedures, or every team gambles on Paddack and Mahle in a 4 month window? Those are two different things.
  17. KirbyDome89
    I have no clue how insurance is actually involved. Sure, but being skeptical isn't the same thing as being unrealistic or interpreting the situation in only the worst possible light. I agree SF and NY had more at risk, but I don't think Correa underwent a radically different physical with any of the 3 teams in this discussion.
  18. KirbyDome89
    Are you suggesting Mahle's shoulder issues in MN weren't related to one that shelved him in Cincinnati a few weeks before he was acquired? I think that's a more difficult sell. You really can't see the difference between trading for somebody with an injury history who is currently healthy/pitching vs. somebody who has a history, was shelved for the remainder of the previous season with that same type of injury, and hasn't thrown since? Don't let me stop you from arguing to the extreme though.
  19. KirbyDome89
    Is the plate not what this long term angst is about? Were they aware prior to the season that long term his ankle looks to be an issue? He has a surgically repaired ankle, had to leave the game after a slide, publicly comment about the fact he were scared when they felt the ankle "vibrate," and if you're MN he's supposedly FA target No. 1. None of that merits anything other than a quick thumbs up? This is a team that had him on scheduled rest days, you really don't think they had any interest in a closer look? Ok. Why would they offer 10/285 if they knew what SF or NY recently found? He didn't sign with the Mets last year, and he wasn't a Met when he slid and irritated the plate in his ankle. I doubt we need to go down the financial road either. It's apples and oranges. Trading for two pitchers recently injured pitchers within 4 months and getting 9 combined starts is not out of the norm because other players get hurt too. I'll just disagree.
  20. KirbyDome89
    I think it's missing the part I already mentioned following Correa's comments about that uncomfortable feeling. Do you believe the Twins were aware of his potentially balky ankle prior to the season starting? Do you believe they examined his ankle after the slide and were ok with what they saw? We just watched acquisitions flop due to health issues that each had prior to joining the team, but yes, how unrealistic to think the Twins weren't aware of whatever SF or NY found.....
  21. KirbyDome89
    Paddack's 2021 ended with elbow issues and he'd already undergone TJ once. Mahle spent time on the IL with shoulder inflammation just before the deadline. I think we have an idea....
  22. KirbyDome89
    So the same team that watched the Paddack and Mahle acquisitions blow up in their faces was so far ahead of the curve when it came to Correa that they were fully aware of whatever issues his future potentially held, and simultaneously certain that those issues wouldn't surface during a 3 year deal? Ok. After the slide incident and his post game "vibrating," comment, Correa played a bunch of meaningless games and the Twins apparently felt comfortable enough to offer him 10/285. Those are decisions that a team makes with full understanding of his ankle aliment prior to the season? If it's really the "worst possible light," to say the Twins didn't have a solid grasp then guilty as charged I guess. We're using a routine slide from this season as the launching pad for what could go wrong, but there isn't concern in the short term? I don't think the cliff is as easy to pinpoint as you seem to believe, i.e. "we're safe for 3 years, but watch out in year 6."
  23. KirbyDome89
    I haven't seen the term incompetent being thrown around. Yeah, it was a 1 year deal assuming health & production, and I buy that MN was willing to risk some kind of freak injury, but I have a more difficult time believing an uberconservative team like the Twins was equally aware of the ankle, and they were $70M sure it wouldn't be an issue. I don't have a strong background in medical science, but that type of predictability (year 2-3 with MN vs. some permutation of years 3-9 elsewhere) seems off to me. They were fine with gambling on Paddack and Mahle, so maybe they just don't view short term risk as that big of a deal, but the money is where I'm hung up.
  24. KirbyDome89
    Weren't those later years considered a wash anyways?
  25. KirbyDome89
    Until a few days ago the Mets role in the Correa sweepstakes was unknown, but as it turns out, they had initially outbid MN as well. What info do you have that would indicate Correa was ready to sign a deal for 10/285?
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