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  1. I just want to comment on the idea that Falvey inherited no pitching. It's just not true. They inherited Gibson and Berrios, a mediocre but reliable pitcher approaching free agency and an exciting young rookie. Ok so the big league rotation was light on talent, but it wasn't completely barren. Throw in Erv Santana. If anything, it was the bullpen and the pitchers in the minors who we were optimistic about. In the bullpen they inherited Ryan Pressly, Taylor Rogers, and Brandon Kintzler. That's not nothing. Plus a swath of other guys who had some nominal value like Duffey, Tonkin, etc. There were younger guys like Brusdar Graterol and Fernando Romero on their way up. Some posters liked Randy Rosario and Felix Jorge. Way down deeper in the sytem, teams plucked Luis Gil, Huascar Ynoa, and Tyler Wells from us. Tyler Jay and Kohl Stewart had value. Stephen Gonsalves was not expected to be a star, but was also not to be traded away, either. Too valuable. Part of the future. All of these pitchers I listed made it to the big leagues, so they can tell their grandkids and so on. I am not trying to disparage them, at all. Now, like the previous poster, I have things piling up to do.
  2. Very well said. Your post was the post I was thinking in my head. Most of the nucleus played pretty close to form. Gordon and Miranda were pleasant surprises, while Lewis and Kirilloff had unpleasant ones. Otherwise, which player can you look back on in 2022 and really be surprised about? I do think they projected more from Correa. I don’t think you can call 120 IP from your best starter a handsome payoff either—well put. Until the Twins fix the pitching side of the house, no player projections or promising rookies will matter much. It’s not good enough to cite a pitcher who had a good year in the minors, like we did with Balazovic and his 2021 season and how I fear the expectations will be placed on Woods-Richardson and his 2022 season. Falvey and Levine need to relearn pitching on the fly. Twins Daily throws around adjectives like they’re a dime a dozen. We read words like handsome, stardom, historic, spectacular, devastating, dominating, unstoppable, brilliant, we read those words in just about every minor league recap when someone pitches well, and really, where can you go from there?
  3. I agree. It wouldn’t be pretty. But we did get a tease, of sorts. There was a short report in the Athletic right before the trade deadline with this lede paragraph: “Two rival officials Monday expressed little confidence the Twins would hold on in the AL Central, which they currently lead by 3 1/2 games over the Guardians and four games over the White Sox.”
  4. Representing the leagues and the teams against the fans in this suit will be the local media, led by the strong team of Dick Bremer, LaVelle E. Neal III, Paul Allen, and a fourth media member yet to be chosen who sent out a Tweet comparing the Earned Run Average of Emil Pagan and Taylor Rogers for the month of July through August 2nd. Bremer, Allen, and Neal, speaking for the Twins and Vikings, say that the fans are being unreasonable, as usual. They say that the fans are wrong to expect so much and would have done the same thing anyway if they were in charge, which they weren’t. They also added that the fans should just wait a couple years for the young guys to develop and the plan to fall into place, and stop complaining. In response, the fans had no comment. Or were left speechless. Hard to know the difference anymore.
  5. Ok well the front office also thinks they are a good team, or else they wouldn’t have traded away all these prospects. So, their heads must be in the sand too. Maybe we should direct more of our ire at them.
  6. Good teams don’t trade their best players. That’s about as clear and concise as I can make it. The rest is just lawyering.
  7. Because your line of thinking raises more questions than it answers. How could the Twins not think they could win in 2021 after winning the division in 2019 and 2020? If the Twins were not planning to win in 2022, and that’s why they traded Berrios and Rogers, then… why sign Correa? Why trade away prospects at the deadline? Why trade Chase Petty for Sonny Gray if they were never planning to make a run in 2022?
  8. Were the Twins competing for World Series titles last year or this year? I assume so? Why wouldn't you assume so? But it's not just the two moves of trading Berrios and Rogers - it's a pattern of moves, it's a philosophy of moves. I don't know why people spend so much time pushing back at readership. If people spent more time trying to unpack the philosophy, maybe we could figure out what's going on, and get somewhere. Phrases like "changes in the organization are needed" or "this front office is not beyond criticism" are not actually criticisms.
  9. Nobody is comparing those players. It’s that the winning organizations are willing to live with the risk of the player walking away at the end of the season without feeling the need to get something for them. In exchange for not trading the player, the team competes for a World Series.
  10. I see a lot of bad Taylor Rogers outings (including one tonight) but I really wonder if people posting all the Pagan-Rogers comparisons really think the Twins were better off with Pagan.
  11. Not me. On a similar note, I made the point elsewhere that based on the logic of trading Berrios and Rogers, when they did, the front office should also be looking to trade Gray, Mahle, and Maeda this offseason. Would you agree?
  12. I have no opinion about Mahle or Montas but want to point out to people that Taylor Rogers is actually doing pretty well this season. All the Tweets we saw comparing Rogers and Pagan’s Earned Run Averages during the month of July or whatever have painted a very misleading picture. The back-to-back day appearances have hurt Taylor Rogers’s ERA, as they did here in Minnesota, otherwise it looks to me that he has done just fine. Rogers would have really helped the Twins bullpen in 2022. I guess I’m in the minority about the Berrios trade, too. I think Martin and Woods Richardson have big question marks. Berrios would have helped this team in 2022 too. There must be a way to strike a balance between being upbeat about the state of the franchise but also not giving people unrealistic expectations.
  13. I feel like if you (not you, but someone!) if someone plotted all the MLB teams Win-Loss record on a bell curve, for each season, that this season would look less like a bell than most seasons. As of now, the Twins are the only team within 2-4 games of .500 and the NL team closest to .500 are the Giants at 69-77.
  14. I agree with the first part—why change the draft? But no I think some teams are tanking or not trying that hard. I don’t necessarily have a problem with that. But take a look at the number of teams hovering around 500. There are only a few of them.
  15. A lottery should be weighted in favor of the last team to be eliminated from a playoff spot and the last team to clinch a spot, and so on. That should keep more teams motivated to field a competitive team.
  16. At the time? The following statement was written in an article just two days ago. “Derek Falvey and Thad Levine orchestrated a near-flawless trade deadline for the Minnesota Twins.”
  17. I love the way Francona substituted that pinch runner in the bottom of the 8th. Instead of putting in the pinch runner right away after the lead off batter reaches first, like lots of managers do automatically, wait another batter or two to see what happens. If the next batter hits into a double play, you just lost the substitution and lost your batter with nothing to show for it. Also possible is a bunch of strikeouts or fly outs, and the pinch runner never makes it around the bases. Sure, that might have been a bunting situation 10-20 years ago too, but times are changing as are the players. Obviously situations are going to be different, but that was very well done by Francona. And it won them the game.
  18. I also like the evidence! Even better would be to add in one hitters, complete games, and other high pitch or high effort games, but that was a nice list. Be careful interpreting number of pitches thrown to mean maximum effort, however. The radio guys (or at least Gladden) kept talking about how effortless Ryan was pitching last night. You could hear in both their voices that they thought Ryan might be given a chance to finish all nine inning himself.
  19. Once again Gleeman leaves out the important part. Even on the small stuff, media people are having trouble with this. No surprise anymore. Berrios and Gibson pitched six innings, not seven. Why? Because those were very early season starts. I love Berrios and I love no hitters but I had no issue at all with Berrios and Gibson being pulled at the time. The 6th is the right inning to do it. And Slowey’s I do not remember as well but Slowey was just not that good, not as good as Ryan, and he also had some reputation stuff with Gardy or the clubhouse if I recall. Gardy might have wanted to pull Slowey after 8 no hit innings if he thought Slowey would make it that far. Also if I recall, Kershaw was fine being pulled after 7. He has his ring and 9 figure payday. So the answer last night was to pull Ryan in the sixth like you do in every other game. Don’t set up the expectation all of a sudden that fans might see something special for once. That was the expectation I had, anyway. Otherwise you are giving the impression that game situations, even foreseeable ones, just sneak up on you and give you trouble, which most of us already suspected. But even worse would have been letting Ryan pitch a no-hit 8th and then pull him after that. So there’s that. The season motto: it could have been worse!
  20. Lots of fans still like to see stuff like this! Even players I bet were pulling for Ryan. Even the radio guys had the expectation that Ryan might be left in to go for it. They talked about how effortless Ryan’s 7 innings were. They mentioned that Moran was warming up, then sat back down at one point. I would have given Ryan his usual six, and go to the pen in the 7th.
  21. For the record, I would not be surprised to see the Twins appear in the top six or eight of MLB teams in projected value lost to injury, however one chooses to measure that.
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