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Everything posted by Hosken Bombo Disco
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I feel like if you (not you, but someone!) if someone plotted all the MLB teams Win-Loss record on a bell curve, for each season, that this season would look less like a bell than most seasons. As of now, the Twins are the only team within 2-4 games of .500 and the NL team closest to .500 are the Giants at 69-77.
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At the time? The following statement was written in an article just two days ago. “Derek Falvey and Thad Levine orchestrated a near-flawless trade deadline for the Minnesota Twins.”
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Actually, four bases, if you count the trail runner.
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I love the way Francona substituted that pinch runner in the bottom of the 8th. Instead of putting in the pinch runner right away after the lead off batter reaches first, like lots of managers do automatically, wait another batter or two to see what happens. If the next batter hits into a double play, you just lost the substitution and lost your batter with nothing to show for it. Also possible is a bunch of strikeouts or fly outs, and the pinch runner never makes it around the bases. Sure, that might have been a bunting situation 10-20 years ago too, but times are changing as are the players. Obviously situations are going to be different, but that was very well done by Francona. And it won them the game.
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I also like the evidence! Even better would be to add in one hitters, complete games, and other high pitch or high effort games, but that was a nice list. Be careful interpreting number of pitches thrown to mean maximum effort, however. The radio guys (or at least Gladden) kept talking about how effortless Ryan was pitching last night. You could hear in both their voices that they thought Ryan might be given a chance to finish all nine inning himself.
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Once again Gleeman leaves out the important part. Even on the small stuff, media people are having trouble with this. No surprise anymore. Berrios and Gibson pitched six innings, not seven. Why? Because those were very early season starts. I love Berrios and I love no hitters but I had no issue at all with Berrios and Gibson being pulled at the time. The 6th is the right inning to do it. And Slowey’s I do not remember as well but Slowey was just not that good, not as good as Ryan, and he also had some reputation stuff with Gardy or the clubhouse if I recall. Gardy might have wanted to pull Slowey after 8 no hit innings if he thought Slowey would make it that far. Also if I recall, Kershaw was fine being pulled after 7. He has his ring and 9 figure payday. So the answer last night was to pull Ryan in the sixth like you do in every other game. Don’t set up the expectation all of a sudden that fans might see something special for once. That was the expectation I had, anyway. Otherwise you are giving the impression that game situations, even foreseeable ones, just sneak up on you and give you trouble, which most of us already suspected. But even worse would have been letting Ryan pitch a no-hit 8th and then pull him after that. So there’s that. The season motto: it could have been worse!
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Lots of fans still like to see stuff like this! Even players I bet were pulling for Ryan. Even the radio guys had the expectation that Ryan might be left in to go for it. They talked about how effortless Ryan’s 7 innings were. They mentioned that Moran was warming up, then sat back down at one point. I would have given Ryan his usual six, and go to the pen in the 7th.
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For the record, I would not be surprised to see the Twins appear in the top six or eight of MLB teams in projected value lost to injury, however one chooses to measure that.
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I am using them because other people are using them in their injury day count.
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If Mahle needs surgery, all bets are off, and we lose his 2023 season and he becomes a guy trying to hitch on to a team as a free agent for 2024. Worth the risk?
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You know what I’m asking for. Let’s see the list and the totals. I am not disputing injury days, but how much expected value was lost. How much was expected from Maeda and Dobnak in 2022, for example. Once we have that information, we can begin an honest conversation about this. Injury days isn’t enough, in my opinion.
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That’s what I am looking for. I’m not saying the Twins haven’t been decimated by injuries. But I am asking how much contribution they expected from Maeda, Dobnak, etc., in 2022. It’s too easy to say “lost two pitchers for the whole year.” Dobnak is currently pitching in AAA by the way so he could be called up at any time.
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Mahle is not old, but he’s a free agent after 2023. Is he an extension candidate to you?
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If the data supports Gleeman’s arguments, he would provide it I assume.
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Maybe, but please quote the relevant part? I’d like to know how much they were expecting from guys like Dobnak and Mahle coming into the season. where do other teams stack up?
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All these things did change, when this front office took over. And therein lies the problem?
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Instead of a simple counting of players (dressed up in beautiful prose), I would like to see an analysis of expected value lost. I would argue that the Mets have lost more expected contribution between DeGrom and Scherzer’s injuries than that whole group of Twins pitchers combined. Just as @Yawn Gardenhose mentioned, the Twins had gotten to first place without Mahle. I think it’s more accurate to say that Mahle’s injury cost them future value from their farm system and not from their rotation. (Pitching rotations are alive and well across MLB, by the way, after some flirting with the opener/primary model a few years ago.) It’s also pretty apparent to me that the White Sox have lost more expected value from injury, than the Twins.
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I will ask again in another thread later, so no need to answer right away, but in my opinion a better analysis would start with something like how much WAR was the team projecting for a player, and how much time (and therefore how much WAR) was then lost to injury. in other words, Sonny Gray had a trip to the IL if I recall. How much contribution were the Twins expecting from Gray this year, and how much did they lose on account of that IL stint? Going into the season, how much contribution were the Twins expecting from Maeda? From Dobnak? From Paddack? From Mahle? I could argue that, combining all four of those pitchers, they were expecting zero contribution, nothing, from any of them. I could argue that they were expecting some positive contribution from Ober and Alcala. Joe Ryan had a stint on the Covid IL— that would count for a little. We’re they expecting anything from Coloume? How does this compare to what the White Sox were expecting from Lance Lynn or Garret Crochet, who were hurt? That said, I agree injuries were a part of why Twins pitching suffered and I’ll tentatively buy the argument that the Twins lost more in pitching than the Sox. For offense, m I’d say the White Sox lost more, much more, production from position players than the Twins. But I’ll keep my mind open if a good analysis shows otherwise. Just something to think about and an idea for a deeper analysis than just listing a count of players. @Cody Christie @Seth Stohs @John Bonnes
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Lewis is maybe the one truly unlucky unexpected injury that stands out to me. I might actually take the trio of Gray, Bundy, Ryan over Mahle, Maeda, and Paddack, but that’s just me. The hurt group seems slightly better but either group seems above average, at best. Berrios would improve either set, or heaven forbid, a big free agent signing. As other posters have mentioned, let’s see the comparison with Chicago and other teams, and expected production lost, not just a count of players. @Cody Christie would that be something you would be up for doing? An in-depth comparison with other post-season hopefuls?
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After today, and Monday’s day off, my understanding is that the rotations sets up: Tues: Ryan Wed: Gray Thurs: Bundy then the Cleveland series: Fri: Archer? Saturday doubleheader: some combination of Winder, Varland, and Ober returns? Then Sunday and Monday turns back over to Ryan and Gray to wrap up with Cleveland. This is baseball, so we know that “funnier things have happened,” but the Twins just can’t afford to lose any more ground at this point.
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FYI Derek Falvey will be interviewed by Cory Provus on Inside Twins today at 12 noon, if you are driving at that time or looking for something to have on until Vikings kickof— I mean, Twins first pitch
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Good comment. Signing Correa raised fan expectations for this team to make a postseason run, as it should have. Expecting Buxton to remain healthy to the end seems misguided in hindsight. What should fans expect, going forward? What will be Dave St. Peter’s sales pitch to the season ticket holders for 2023? I am not one, but I look forward to hearing what that is.
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And if this thing you say is great roster management does not happen, does it become great roster management in the other direction, then?
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