Hosken Bombo Disco

Reminds me of a Christian Ponder two minute drive. Some check downs, throwaways, and you’ve spent 45 seconds going 20 yards.

Yeah im really interested in seeing how Purdy comes out in the second half. Good overall, didn’t ask much of him, but a little bit of a mental error waiting to get rid of that last pass.

San Francisco leading Dallas 9-6 at half. Feels like the San Fran offense is just playing rope a dope. They might end up winning by three touchdowns, we will see. I’m really hoping we see a Maher FG attempt. Another missed extra point that he’s lucky was blocked.

What’s the Twins record on team-friendly extensions? How have those players done?

I mean, in another thread before the trade took place, you were telling me that trading away Arraez for Lopez wasn’t worth it, because Lopez was only a #3 and only had two more years of control. But now you are changing your tune. The minor leaguers Miami threw in are so far away that I find it hard to believe they tipped the scales for you that much.

“Terry Ryan, the former Twins general manager, used a 2-through-8 system to have his scouts evaluate players”

Close? I’d also rate Chicago’s rotation better, though I’d definitely give the edge to Minnesota’s bullpen with Hendricks going down. All the other teams in the Central also have a clear young Number #1 emerging, better than whoever the Twins number one is, although I think Skubal had a setback but Detroit isn’t going anywhere anyway. Pablo Lopez will help the Twins pitching staff, as long as his shoulder holds up. I don’t think anyone is arguing otherwise.

This feels like a one for one deal to me, too. Arraez was under control through the end of 2025 and I am wondering how much value you think Salas will provide to the Twins in that time?

Same

Another way to put it is that .314 is actually Arraez’s second worst season batting average. Are hits overrated now? Interesting. Well what about hits plus walks? Arraez is 14th in MLB in OBP since his debut in 2019. For context, the top of that list includes guys like Trout, Judge, Bryce Harper, Freddie Freeman, Juan Soto, who are the top five. Arraez is in the next tier with Goldschmidt, Betts, and other guys like that. Correa ranks 32nd in OBP since 2019. Granted, OBP is not the only hitting tool, and Correa is a better overall hitter than Arraez. But OBP is extremely important, it’s the “not making outs” tool that I remember people on this site used to make a big deal about. (until now)

You are not wrong. We had Dick & Bert calling games on TV locally for a long time. You only need to listen to the out of town broadcasters on those rare occasions when the Twins were on a national telecast to know that outsiders don’t know the teams and markets as well as the locals. So, same with the national baseball press. They are going to make up an opinion of the trade without knowing particulars and without caring how it turns out or being invested in its success or failure. If they turn out to be wrong, no one is going to come back and hold them to it or ask them what they did wrong. Because they have moved on to having an opinion on the next big thing they don’t really care about. Not that the local press is without their own faults…

I knew you’d come around :)

Having no opinion generates no mouse clicks, so nobody quotes the guy who says he will reserve judgment. Cheers to not knowing. 🍻

Well that’s Fangraphs, but MLB has Salas as a 45 player, which in other words, is just another half-decent minor league player. (I’m sure he’s a great kid personally.) Top prospect, no. I don’t know if the Twins Daily writers are doing their own checking around, or just using one source and taking that source at face value, or where they are getting all this enthusiasm. From Fangraphs, I guess. MLB has Brooks Lee as the 10th best shortstop prospect. https://www.mlb.com/prospects/ss/

Good comment. I consider myself both a hardcore fan and a casual fan… As a hardcore fan, no I do not actually understand this trade. It’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul. The pitching side gets better, but the hitting side gets worse. Potentially much worse. Guys like Arraez don’t suddenly lose their bat-to-ball skill. If someone is going to claim that Arraez’s knees are going to affect his performance, then that same someone should be consistent and admit that Lopez has a flaky shoulder himself, and that Salas’s stats look pretty ordinary, and the third guy they got is not old enough to shave yet. Some people here are really low on Lopez too. I don’t know; I guess I like him? but I will just say that I noticed that his shoulder problems have correlated fairly closely to his trade to Miami several years ago and subsequent increase in velocity. If the Twins want to keep Lopez dialed up at mid-90s and also keep him healthy, then maybe the philosophy of five innings and done will actually be a benefit to this particular guy. Less chance for wear and tear every fifth day if you pull him out after 5. The front office just signed Correa, overpaid for Correa. Why burn that goodwill? The front office made their lineup much better by signing Correa, then made it worse by trading Arraez. So no, as a hardcore fan, I don’t really get it on a rational level. Your second part about me also being a casual fan, however, is correct. All that said, I am glad there are people who like this trade. The Twins need you and Twinsdaily needs you! Stick around and talk about it!!

Me too, but from what I've gathered by glancing at a few pitchers coming off of a second Tommy John, pitchers can be expected to lose one and a half to three miles per hour off their heaters. Paddack was at 93.0 mph in 2022 according to his Baseball Savant page, so what we can hope for later in 2023 is about 91.0mph. I saw a small increase in whiff rate on that page, but I don't know if that accounts for small sample size or platoon splits evening out. Depends on what kind of data you like to look at, how deep you want to go, and how deep your pockets are... Here is that sign-up again: Become a Twins Daily Caretaker Me personally, this feels more like Dobnak than Pineda (yay?), but I reserve the right to be wrong, and maybe Parker has other ideas in his article. By the way, the good news is that surgeons are getting better and better and pitchers are more likely to recover from this second surgery than in the past. (Walker Buehler is having his second Tommy John too). I'm confident Paddack will come back and like others have said, he's going to need to learn the art of pitching more than relying on raw ability. That could be a good thing.

This Tweet gives helpful context, thanks @PseudoSABR I wonder if Hayes meant 502 PA in the furthest out years, and not 502 AB. I’m glad to see that that seventh year requires him to get to 575. There was a time when 502 PA (110-120 games) meant you were missing a lot of time, not playing most of the time. And the additional team option on top of that, whatever it is, is good to know. I’m thinking they structured the Correa deal to mean he will be here six years and not a day longer. Now hopefully Correa stays on the field most of that time.

I think the question answers itself. They didn’t think Correa was worth 6/200.

Hi John, The reaggravation happened in September. This reads like editorializing that contradicts reporting by Dan Hayes: Even though the Twins performed an exit exam on Correa in October, those are often limited to areas of concern that arose during a player’s regular-season visits to the trainer’s room. Aside from an incident in May when Correa thought he broke his finger, team sources indicated the shortstop never set foot in the trainer’s room, not even after he writhed in pain on the ground after a hard slide into second base in a Sept. 20 contest at Kansas City. After that game, Correa acknowledged he had a metal plate inserted in his right leg, the result of an injury that occurred when he was in the minor leagues in 2014. “He just hit my plate,” Correa said, referring to the hardware in his leg. “I had surgery and he hit it. Just kind of felt numb. Vibrating. So I was just waiting for it to calm down. It was a little scary, but when I moved I knew I was good.”

Welcome, friend!! I agree with you about the pitching.

If Correa does eventually sign with The Fellowship, I imagine manager Gandalf will let Correa wear the ring every time he reaches base. His stolen base numbers should go through the roof!

I hope the C4 chatter becomes C-ya-later chatter ?

Happy for the guy. Now let's see if they over-use him on back to back days...

This passage is key. Thanks, Nick. I don’t have the time to catch up on the other threads, but I’ve glanced through, and seen the “Giants got cold feet” argument made. I don’t buy it. Boras doesn’t move on that fast and leave that money on the table if there’s nothing there. Your suggestion that it’s the ankle makes a lot of sense.

Will be interesting to see, but my guess is that the new Mets people don’t care what his medical records say.