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I guess I am just a little more surprised with Sabato. I hated the pick which has me cheering for him now all the more. It would seem like a gift if he turned into something.
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If I were to pick the top 3 break-out / comeback position player prospects it would be Sabato followed by Gonzalez, and Baez. Jose Salas gets an honorable mention. He was great at high A but with only has 7 games at AA where he has been mediocre so far. The pitchers are much more debatable IMO. Anyone care to chime in on position players or who they would pick on the pitching side.
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Vazquez has produced 1.6 WAR since joining the Twins. Jeffers has produced 4.8 over the same period of time. I guess in a world where catchers don't hit, you would have a point. In this world, scoring runs matters. Vasquez is a better defender but so bad offensively that he is considerably less valuable than Jeffers.
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Why would you give me a thumbs down and then literally say the same thing I said?
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Should takeover SS from Ben Ross? Ross is 24, a good defender but has yet to show he has the offensive potential to play in the majors.
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Some of every type of acquisition succeed and some fail. The point that many will fail has absolutely no probative value. If one strategy fails 70% of the time and another fails 90% of the time. Is the 70% failure rate relevant without a comparison? Which type of transaction most frequently contributes to winning.
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The only way to get a meaningful player is to trade away very good prospects. Doing so for this team is a good way to insure continued mediocrity. What I always notice about the many articles on this topic is that no examples are ever given of teams (low revenue teams) that have built success through trading prospects for short-term assets? If anyone bothers to look at the impact of players acquired as prospects, there are many examples. Most of the Cleveland teams were built by acquiring prospects. The Twins got Duran, Ryan on deadline deals. What did those trades do for Arizona and Tampa? There are many more examples and the biggest part that is overlooked is that Duran / Ryan or the Cleveland players is that that they impact the team for 6+ years.
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Week in Review: The Bottom Falls Out
Major League Ready replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
IDK if you were condemning this signing when it happened but the vast majority here supported it. Many insisted upon it with statements like "if this is a serious franchise, etc, etc. When it was suggested here the twins needed to jettison his contract / trade him, again many voiced their disdain at that thought. There is a furious demand for this team to sign expensive players. The problem has nothing to do with injury this year. He simply is not hitting. This hardly a new thing .... by that I mean very expensive free agents not performing. There were several extremely expensive free agent SS available and pretty much everyone here wanted one of them. Only one of them is performing at an elite level? There was also a push here for Trevor Story and Javier Baez. I agree that spending an AAV of 33M will kill any team in the bottom half of revenue but let's not pretend we didn't ask for this or that this type of player is a sure thing.- 31 replies
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He started the year in A ball and was sent to CPX for an injury rehab assignment.
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He played his first game for the Saints last night so that question has already been answered. I hated the pick when it was made and I never liked him as a prospect. I would be absolutely thrilled to be dead wrong if he was a late bloomer or found something or whatever and became a productive major leaguer. I would be interested to know what they did with him. It sounds like his plate discipline has improved but is that enough to create this break-out? Not trying to pull everything, maybe? IDK but I would love to see him interviewed on his emergence. It would be nice to have a guy even in a bench role that mashes LHP.
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Ask me in 6 weeks. The players on expiring contracts are not going to bring back high-profile prospects. However, if their play suggests this team is not ready to contend, this is an opportunity to clean house a bit and audition players that could possibly contribute to a winner even if it's in a bench role. There are a few pitchers (Morris/Adams and possibly Prielipp) that could get a look as well. Coulombe and Bader could fetch a decent prospect. France maybe brings back something if he plays particularly well between now and the deadline but who would we audition at 1B. Someone posted McCusker was taking fielding practice at 1B. That would be interesting. Seriously, his stretch would get you a few extra outs. If Rodriquez auditions well, Larnach could be added to this group. Duran and Jax are not FAs until 2028 so those two should not be considered unless it's an absolute haul.
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I surely do agree that no bench spot should be wasted. Bride is coming off his 3rd year in MLB where he played in more games than any previous season where he performed well above average. Pretty good pick-up (on paper) at no cost after the season had started. Now, if you saw this coming, great. I did not. It's all pretty inconsequential because he will be gone before the all-star break unless we continue to pile up injuries. If we continue to pile up injuries, Bride being on the roster will still be inconsequential because we are not going anywhere.
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Here is exactly what you said. "How has not trading worked for teams that stood pat? They didn't win either. " You have made this point several times in the past few years and sure is hell is not to point out that mediocre teams are not going to win either way. That's not at all what you were representing.
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I am happy to see them move on and give that roster spot to someone that might be able to provide value now and in the future. Getting anything in return is a bonus.
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You're surprised that mediocre teams that did not invest at the deadline did not win the WS? You're surprised that teams that the organization did not think were worthy of investment did not win the WS? When was the last time a team in the bottom half of revenue invest heavily at the deadline and those acquisitions were impactful. There has only been one such team in the past couple of decades (2015 Royals) and Ben Zobrist sure as hell was not the difference in the Royals winning the WS. There are literally zero examples in the past 20+ years so your logic is exceptionally flawed. It takes an accumulation of talent to get to the WS. Trading long-term assets for short-term assets is very rarely the way to get that done. If you bother to look at the winning teams in the bottom half of revenue and how their rosters were built this point in quite obvious.
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The data overwhelming suggests that trading for prospects and the deadline is far more impactful to winning than trading prospects for rentals. The impact of trading for prospects is not immediate but it is far more effective. That's not to say there are not times when it makes sense to add but trading when the team is not a true contender is a suckers bet.
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It would be great if he played so well that it's hard to replace him with Keaschall 3 or 4 weeks from now. I would be happy to see him play well enough to be great in a bench role this year and going forward. He is better defensively and more versatile than I expected.
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I would love to see Cartaya turn it around but he has not been good offensively since high A. His OPS last year in AAA for LA was 643. Maybe he was rushed and he comes around offensively. Cardenas has always hit except last year so there seems to be some basis to expect he can continue to hit. It could be argued that Diaw has the highest ceiling and is therefore the best "prospect". IDK. It's certainly not clear cut.
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You would rate the catcher with a 390 OPS the best catching prospect?
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Does this promotion for Cardenas set the stage for Cardenas. If he continues to hit at AAA, is he the back-up catcher next year? I suppose it depends on what's available on the free agent market but he can't be worse offensively than Vazquez, can he?
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As long as he maintains this level of offensive production, the Twins best line-up is Buxton in CF, Bader in LF with one of Wallner/Larnach in right and the other DHing. Castro might be a slightly better bat but the defensive presence is far more valuable than any offensive difference between the two. Where is the gain if Bader is lifted so that both Larnach and Wallner or Castro are in the OF given one of them can DH?
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I agree. It's not insurmountable. Just trying to get away from the hyperbole and put the advantage in perspective. The Dodgers have won 90 games in the last 13 straight seasons. The number of 90 win seasons for the 16 teams that most frequently appear in the bottom half of revenue is listed below. Only 1 team (Cleveland) in the bottom half of revenue has won 90 games in 50% of the last 13 seasons. Half of the teams have only one 90 win season in the past 13 years and only one has won a WS. The number of 90 win seasons is listed below. I think a fair assessment would be that the revenue advantage is very significant. Cleveland 7 0.518 Tampa 5 0.530 Brewers 4 0.518 Oakland 3 0.494 Orioles 3 0.469 Mariners 2 0.506 Tigers 2 0.455 Pirates 2 0.478 TWINS 1 0.486 Dbacks 1 0.469 White Sox 1 0.436 Reds 1 0.475 Rockies 1 0.452 Royals 1 0.444 Padres 1 0.479 Marlins 0 0.455
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Sure, it's possible for lower revenue teams to have success. However, 2X revenue is an undeniable advantage. Also, in the context of this thread, what did the Tigers do last year at the deadline? How were the non-drafted players making a significant contribution acquired. Were they established players acquired for prospects or prospects acquired for established players?
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This is a reasonable take given the way you qualified "if they linger". We just are not there yet. Teams quite frequently turn seasons around. We have a good SP staff and BP. We were without Wallner and we have the potential for great improvement from Lewis and the addition of Keaschall. Correa is also underperforming. They have enough offense if two of Correa, Lewis, and Keaschall contribute significantly. The nature of the name of the game is collecting enough assets to actually contend. We can't buy them so supplementing our long-term assets by trading short-term assets makes a great deal of sense. Cleveland and Tampa have demonstrated quite clearly the value in trading short-term assets. Many Fans are always going to want a heavy emphasis on the present. It's true anything is possible if you get in the playoffs but over emphasis on the short-term focus is a good recipe for long-term ineptitude. I hope the players you mentioned perform such that we have a decent shot at post season success. However, if the team is a longshot, go ahead and improve our future with trades that provide a reasonable chance of improving the teams for several years to come are available.
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1M Teilon Serrano 1.2M Carlos Taveras 1.7M Haritzon Castillo Could not find an amount for Jhomnardo Reyes
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