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Enns making a comeback was strange and that was a DFA trade, but Littell has been the Rays top starter thanks to their wizardry. It's been a strange career for him, he had a solid year as a reliever for us but then we gave up on him, Giants scooped him up and it was the same one year of success then a swoon, then the Rays made him what we thought he always could be... because of course they did. Another funny one was Taylor Rogers and Ben Rortvedt involved in a three way trade. Levine's deal ran out and the Twins didn't want him back, and no other team hired him... so while your second part checks out, it's not as if Levine wanted to go. He would still be here if they wanted him back. I heard he's doing a podcast now with another former GM.
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I guess the logic on moving Varland - which as stated by others is clearly not about clearing payroll - is trying to turn some "found money" in a later draft pick and failed starter into a quality reliever into two prospects who are both close to contributing to the team. The Twins needs a lot of young talent and despite what some say, before the trades I think the minors were in fairly bad shape, now if things pan out right, they have a quality starter and another arm (finally a good lefty reliever prospect?!). So Falvey is trying to turn one success into two to account for all of the lack of quality prospects in the high minors. I think it's decent value for what Varland is and I actually like it better than the return for Duran and Jax based upon how valuable those two supposedly were.
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Good luck to Sands and Topa figuring out how to pitch in high leverage situations the next two months! Perhaps this is the point where they transition their mediocre AA/AAA starting pitching prospects into becoming relievers and are able to piece together a bullpen next year out of young cheap arms? That's the most positive take I can pull out of what's left of this group. Maybe they just don't believe in Varland long term? Because if they did, he'd still be a super valuable trade chip in 2/3 years time.
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They say that, but the price for Duran and Jax were supposedly sky-high and didn't end up bringing back as much as we thought. May as well hold onto Ryan for now if they don't receive a king's ransom.
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It's gonna take some time for me to collect my thoughts on all this... so much action. Bradley for Jax straight-up is odd, not that Taj doesn't have value but I thought the price on Jax was "sky-high" after moving Duran? Bradley has upside but he's been sub-replacement level this year, and do we really need another starter to fix up? Is Lopez getting moved this offseason, then the rotation is Ryan-Ober-Bradley-Abel-SWR/Festa? Moving Varland despite having 5 years of control of him is wild, given I thought he was going to inherit the closer role... I guess they need hitting and Roden probably winds up at 1B. Fangraphs has those two Jays prospects as their #3/#6 prospects, so that's a good value for Varland (France is worth nothing) if they pan out. Wowza!
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Jax and Varland? Wow, I wouldn't have believed it if you'd had told me this yesterday. 10 major leaguers have been traded! I didn't think Falvey had it in him to nuke the roster but sans moving Buxton and Ryan, he has done it.
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They're not, but then MLB.com has him as their #8 prospect... which is it? Is there really that much discrepancy between prospect ratings?
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Horn didn't crack Fangraphs' top 45 prospects for Texas, but he did get an honorable mention: Geez, you'd think we would get something for Coloumbe given his numbers, but we got a guy who isn't even a top 50 prospect in the Texas organization. Horn is already 22 (college draft pick) and only at low A with 18 innings pitched...
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I don't think Ryan or Jax are getting moved... Castro will definitely go quickly here. And it might not be a guarantee that Correa fully passes the physical...
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Hear hear. The ownership stinks but other teams like the Brewers can contend with similar payrolls, Falvey is the root of the issue.
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So no prospects for Stewart, just a reclamation project in Outman... hmmm. Hitting about .130 the past 200 PAs after nearly winning Rookie of the Year in 2023. Strikeouts look like a big problem, and he's another lefty OF. Seems to be very good defensively. Four years of control on Outman vs 2.33 on Stewart... gotta say I thought Stewart was worth more than that. I'd love to see them fix Outman but it's hard to have faith in this coaching staff with the majority of the younger bats flailing away in the majors. He has to improve big time just to earn that 4th OF spot... I guess you play him every day the rest of the year and see if you get can him fixed up to be the Bader replacement for 2026.
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They have 3 roster spots to fill in the majors... have to imagine Ober will be back and Martin will take Bader's spot.
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I'm on board with moving Stewart while his value is at its (likely) highest, given I didn't expect him to be healthy for this long. Dodgers get a lot of control of him, but it wouldn't be shocking if the injuries return and he starts to lose his stuff in his mid 30s. Of course, we need to see what the return is...
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Mendez didn't even get a honorable mention in Fangraphs' Phillies prospect rankings, but then MLB.com has him as their 12th best prospect. I will take a guy who is hitting decently well in AA at the age of 21. Would be cool if he isn't a defensive liability in the outfield. If you go by Fangraphs then this isn't a good return, but if you go by MLB.com then it seems alright. That's 4 international prospects they've traded for in the past few days... I guess Falvey's making up for the nearly total lack of any international prospect contributions the past 9 years (anybody outside of Arraez?). Can't wait to see these guys in 2030!
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Yes, it was recognized by us here as surprising haul, there was no reason to think we would get as much as we did from the Rays. At the time, I called it a "solid move". My post in that thread acknowledged the thought that we'd get something like a single low A pitcher for Cruz... but the two trades really aren't comparable. This much control of Duran is worth a looooot more than two months of Cruz.
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Former Twins. Where are They Now? 2025 Edition
Danchat replied to stringer bell's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
The Littell trade invovled the Rays sending Ben Rortvedt to the Dodgers, so it's another former Twin on the move.- 339 replies
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I guess the logic is that Falvey thinks the team can still compete in 2026 without Duran, but moving Jax would be too much... yeah, I dunno about that. And given Jax's tendency to give up a lot of runs this year despite his great peripherals, it seems like he might stay put. We'll find out if he can handle being the closer or not.
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Based on the reports of the amount of interest in Duran, I imagine they had several comparable offers. I can't believe that other teams like the Dodgers and Mariners gave the Twins a sizably smaller offer than the Phillies', given how good Duran has been and the control on him. My guess is the Twins are really high on Abel compared to the other prospects they were offered on other teams.
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That's curious.... it doesn't seem like he has anything left to prove at AAA.
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Right, but he's the exception to the rest of the entire pitching pipeline that has failed to turn water into wine - that is, guys who profile as #4/5 starters into #1/2s. This will be an A++++ trade if they have another Joe Ryan on their hands but how can we make that assumption? Not to mention Ryan was acquired for 2 months of a DH rental (in addition to another AAA starter!), Abel is the only thing we'll have from the Duran trade in the next 3 years before Tait possibly comes up. They had better be right about Abel being that good.
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If Abel had the stuff to be a #1/#2 the Phillies would be holding onto him and he'd be a top 20 prospect in the league. Given the reports stating his stuff has a hard time hitting the upper 90s I don't buy it.
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Huh. I guess that's the cost of a top tier catching prospect, even though he's not even 19 years old yet. Abel is at least major-league ready, the frangraphs write-up on him paints him as more likely to end up in the bullpen... he was at least averaging almost 6 innings per outing at AAA. He has to give the Twins value as a starter in the next couple seasons to make the deal worth it before Tait contributes. If he ends up as a reliever, then even with around 5 years of control of him is that worth it for 2.5 of Duran? I tell you what, if I'm a Phillies fan, I do this trade 100 times out of 100. Oh, and the AJ Pierzynski trade lives on. Pierzynski -> Liriano -> Escobar -> Duran -> Abel/Tait.
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