I think he is a #5 starter, maybe a little better. Like Ober, his arb number is going to be high enough that there will be a decision to be made. I don’t think trading guys like this at a higher arb number will be that easy. It could be done but there isn’t really excess value so you are likely looking at a lottery ticket or two. Maybe TP will spend and bring both back. Either / both could be in the pen with the younger options at 4/5.