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  1. I would tend to agree with you. I think they’ll meddle in the middle for sure and watch for two words. Attendance and compete. The problem with Nicks proposition and most others that see them shedding guys is one thing. Attendance. From what I have seen and heard is in all actuality the Pohlads could care less about how the team does, but what always seems to be a sticking point for them put through Dave St. Peter’s mouth is attendance. Every year what they expect and what they shoot for. It’s the main sticking point why they didn’t tear the team down to the studs in 2011-2012 like the Astros and Cubs at the time when they really should have. They continually semi competed despite rolling out one 90 loss season after another. They are gonna do the same thing even when I think they should trade any guy that has value for prospects. The Pohlads I don’t believe will ever swing hard to one side or the other for that one reason even though they maybe should. They will never let attendance crater even though it gives them a better chance to compete and succeed in the future. That’s why you always hear the word “attendance” and that they want to continually “compete.” Compete means something different to them and the meaning changes depending on how much risk a risk averse front office and ownership structure wants to take on. They won’t blow it up in one offseason when maybe they should.
  2. I didn’t like him in Houston before but I fell for the expensive new shiny toy syndrome as well. Until the rift between him and Royce last year and Pablo’s comments after his trade. I believe it went deeper. Minnesota always wanted expensive toys after the 90’s- 2000’s teams that got trotted out. The realization is that Minnesota needs to play the organization game of Milwaukee and Cleveland and less like the Dodgers and Yankees. And that’s a good thing. Not a bad thing. Playing the game the”right” yields more dividends than playing the game on paper.
  3. "When I go to the mall and I go to the Dior store, and I want something, I get it... I'm the product here, and if they want my product, they've just got to come get it". Carlos Correa this from the supposed eventual leader of the clubhouse. Derek Falvey’s eyes were bigger than his stomach and the real leaders that play with heart and conviction(Lopez, Buxton) took a backseat to a guy that thought he was more valuable than he was. I liked Correa and he performed ok to get the Twins past the hump in ‘23 but he wasn’t the leader he was thought to be for those Astros clubs( obviously it was Altuve, Verlander and Bergman) and he played himself up. He wanted to be the guy in Minnesota and Falvey and Baldelli wanted him to plant the flag and he fell on the way to the hill. I believe he was the cancer in the clubhouse though it may have been unintended. Real leaders lead by example and it became obvious Correa had to lead with his mouth instead of his actions the last two years and that led to dissolution of the young guys over the last two years. I blame Falvey and Baldelli for falling for Correas BS( they should’ve known better and let him walk after ‘22) that’s why I blame Baldelli. He bought the lemon on the lot from the cologne stinking salesman. Correa then led the Astros to a disastrous second half collapse down the stretch just like in Minnesota. Coincidence?
  4. Yeah but it’s not a regular job and in all reality if anyone could get this job as manager of the Twins there would be MILLIONS of applications submitted. Maybe you wouldn’t want it but imagine all the people that have played baseball between the age of 30-60 for instance. That’s millions of people who would love the opportunity.
  5. I would tend to agree. I guess the question maybe should be more geared towards has he made a competent pitching pipeline compared to the rest of the league to merely be average or above average to what he was handed from the previous regime. You all remember. Where every offseason they had to go out and sign a Sidney Ponson, an aging Bartolo Colon, Livan Hernandez, etc just to field a somewhat competent MLB rotation. They had to do that in the beginning but now those types are in house, not 35, and potentially have some upside and possibly a future. I guess my idea of a pitching pipeline is not having to go out and sign those scratch and dent 35 year olds anymore and instead there is a constant stream of 20 something year olds always cycling through. Every so often you get a Ryan or a Lopez but for the most part you’re building your rotation and bullpen with in house guys or guys you traded for and made them better. As opposed to what Terry Ryan would do every year for 2 decades. They haven’t developed a full blown “Ace”, but they haven’t had to sign scrap heap guys either in a while.
  6. He’s now got guys waiting in the wings at all positions. If the lineup fails he’s got guys to plug in. If he keeps the SP’s they’re solid there with depth behind them. The bullpen… sure you’ve got some guys auditioning there and some guys that can be converted during the season to step in. That’s going to be the big question mark. Bring in a FA or two, a bunch of non roster invites and maybe one or two stick, transition a couple minor league guys there and see what happens and that’s your bullpen. He’s flipping a coin and that’s bullpens really in general for most teams. Will he keep his word and does his belief in this team match reality? I guess we’ll see. He knows more about these guys than we do. Is he lying with corporate speak? 2026 will tell us.
  7. Varland is not young. Soon to be 28. They got Roden who despite his small sample size with the Twins was a top 10 prospect for the Jays who put up a career minor league line of 302/409/457 with solid BB/K ratios. They also got Rojas who is an exciting lefty who put up video game numbers up until his one start with AAA Buffalo and 8 starts with the Saints after the deadline. Those 2 guys for a RP? I call that a win in the baseball trade world if one takes emotion out of the picture. The more time goes on the better these trades are looking if we’re being honest. As far as Falvey goes, if he keeps Lopez, Ryan, Jeffers then we know he’s not lying. Even if he trades one of them for close to MLB talent or actual high end MLB talent that still holds true.
  8. Ok, he’s a sub par defender and you’ve got 2 prospects about to come up who are much better defensively and project to be equal or better hitters. AAA? He’s dominated AAA the last handful of times he’s been there. He goes to a different team. What do you get for him? Probably something but nothing good. Maybe a low minors lottery ticket at best. At worst maybe an older AAA prospect who has stalled out or in a similar position to Wallner. Your 3 options leave little hope. I suggest he plays 1B/DH and stays out of the OF.
  9. Matt Wallner is soon to be 28. Not young. Larnach will be 29 the start of next season. Not young either. In fact they’re in their peak years and this is what they are. Not middle of the order bats and terrible defensively. Jenkins and Erod are already far better defensively and not far behind offensively. Wallner to 1B. Gabby as DH. Erod and Jenkins in the corners. Wallner has no business in RF once one of them is up and Larnach probably isn’t on the team come next year.
  10. Exactly, this is baseball not the NBA or NFL. It could take years for some of these guys to fulfill their potential. At least the majority of guys they got are close and not 4–5 years away. Which is why people feel they didn’t get good value on some of these trades. I like Bradley in the rotation too. Abel looks like if he can get his command down he’ll be solid as well if not he’s got elite pen stuff. Rojas looks good. He shows flashes of elite stuff. With him let’s remember that before the Twins he got called up for one game with the Jays AAA team. People are letting emotion rule them when logically they made out pretty good in all of these trades really. Also, realistically if 4 of all the guys they got contribute in MLB that’s pretty good odds for baseball.
  11. Isn’t it funny how the 2000’s Twins were built to compete in the regular season and got there several times yet weren’t built to compete in the playoffs. The Falvey/Baldelli Twins were built to compete in the playoffs with the matchups/HR’s/high strikeout pitching staffs yet can’t get there. Maybe in the next 10 years they’ll finally find the perfect mix. I predict a Twins World Series in the year 2032.
  12. I agree with each of your points except 4. Whatever people in minnesota think of Rocco he’s been a well respected baseball voice for quite a while. People may not line up to bring him in as a manager but much like popkins last year he’ll catch on with somebody right away and most likely thrive. It has more to do with the Twins than it does every other club. There’s something to be said about guys like gardenhire. Despite not playing the analytics he got a lot more out of way less talent and held his star players accountable to play the game the right way.
  13. If the Twins hope enough maybe they can get a similar deal. Unfortunately hope runs out and he signs for $25M a year for 4-5 years. Oh well, we hoped we could get him but reality set in.
  14. Love this move. He looked good last night. Even at 93-94 the pitch movement with the unconventional delivery looked quality reliever-esque. He located it well down in the zone. The cutter had decent movement but I was more impressed with his command of it. Was missing in the right spots. If the cutter could turn more into a sweeper this guy will pile up K’s with the command I seen last night.
  15. His arm doesn’t make up for his terrible routes and jumps in RF. We’ve got 2 guys in St. Paul who are superior to him in RF right now. Give him a 1B mitt. As it stands right now as much as John Bonnes brings up Kody Clemens and Gleeman poo poos him and constantly points out how Wallner has the better OPS Clemens and Wall er are essentially the same player. I don’t know the numbers but Clemens seems to come up clutch more times than not compared to Wallner. Make whatever meaning you want from that but I’m over the Wallner experiment. If his arm is so good then put him in the bullpen at this point. Maybe he brings more value there.
  16. Also, ERA is a poor way to measure success. I don’t think they should resign him though.
  17. “The difference between an $85M payroll, a $115M payroll, and a $145M payroll becomes obvious when looking at the details. At $85M, the Twins likely need to cut further. At $115M, they can tread water, making modest additions. At $145M, they’d have up to $50M to shop, enough to chase one premium free agent or even multiple difference makers.” Ok, this is a good baseline to see what payroll will be as it stands. Let’s just speculate that with the Pohlads debt being essentially paid off they could operate as a normal business. Let’s say they have $50M to “shop”. Who would they “shop” for? All the talk about spending money buying free agents yet is there anyone who is going to be a FA this off-season that anyone here would want to buy? What aging 30 something would everyone here be ok with giving $20M+ a year to? I know it sucks that the Pohlads didn t supplant the 2023 team. I was a staunch critic of “right sizing”. But after getting rid of an aging, declining, overpriced player everyone is gonna be mad that they don’t want to go buy another one? Money is great to have to supplant a roster that is close like in ‘23. That didn’t happen. I don’t want them to have a payroll of $170m right now. That means they bought a group of aging free agents who are soon to be overpriced. A very bad outcome as it doesn’t guarantee winning while guaranteeing being really really bad in 2 years when their top prospects are establishing themselves and they’re strapped by aging, expensive, underperforming players. A good outcome as I see it. The Twins do nothing. They say they want to annually “compete”. If that’s even remotely true they stand pat. Baltimore calls because they’re window is open and they can’t repeat another underwhelming season. The Twins trade Joe Ryan and SWR for Adley Rutschman, Coby Mayo, Enrique Bradfield Jr. and Luis De Leon. They sign Devin Williams to a bounce back 1yr contract. After that they put they’re pitching development to work a turn 1-2 of all these young SP’s into RP’s. They don’t trade Lopez unless a team overwhelmes them which I doubt based on his contract and injury. Ryan will be the prize and if they trade him for impact bats that’s a win. Not spending a bunch of money on aging 30yo’s.
  18. Maybe in the course of the season when you go down with an injury it’s a serious goal in the spirit of competition and proving to oneself that you are back and can still compete. Oooorrrr… all of these guys are just automatons to the GM and owners bidding in order to get them the most money in the off-season. We all know Pablo Lopez’s mentality so with that in mind I wonder which of those options is true.
  19. What was Justin Ishbia right about? I’m still trying to figure it out. Was he right about buying the team based on the fact he knew his new team would sweep the Twins? Was he pitching the 9th and threw the right pitch at the right time to get the big out? Did he make a bunch of great trades at the deadline to lift the White Sox talent level to ultimately sweep the Twins? I’m wondering how he figured into the win last night.
  20. Love the show guys! It has become my new go to Twins podcast! Both of you guys seem very measured and on the same page unlike other more profile podcasts focused on the Twins. Great show fellas!
  21. David Festa is not plagued by Twins development. Without their focus on taking a flyer on a college pitcher in the later rounds he would probably be selling cars right now without them. Add Joe Ryan, Bailey ober, Pablo Lopez, Zebby Mathew’s, Jake Odorizzi and any number of guys to that list. Believe it or not Falvey brought this Cleveland model to the Twins in his own way. Joe Ryan is a prime example and just because we don’t have 5 “Aces” doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. It’s a pitching pipeline. Not an “Ace” pipeline. Yeah, the twins don’t spend money on Big pitchers because that’s not what you want to do. How much money have the Twins saved by taking lower level low signing bonus guys and turned them into #2, 3, 4, 5 type guys? Granted if the process were implemented better you could supplant expensive hitters with the money saved on not having to buy pitching. That’s where they failed but despite what Gleeman yammers on about the Twins do a good job on pitching. Go watch any other team trot out guys at the back of the rotation that can’t throw a strike to save their lives. This doesn’t even mention the bullpen success’. I think people here get too locked into the Twins to realize where other teams are pitching wise. Hard to see the forest through the trees around here. David Festa should be thankful the Twins turned him into what he is today. It’s not a failed experiment. It’s just the nature of pitchers.
  22. So we should just never intend to compete, articles should never be written and fans should just anticipate 90 loss seasons until when? You sure are lucky you’re not a pirates fan. You can always choose to be a Dodgers fan.
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