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I would agree! Thank you for the rational comment amongst the rabid, the world is ending comments. Other than the Stewart trade I think they brought in quite a bit of talent that was needed for this team. When the players aren’t getting it done it’s time to reload. As long as they don’t trade any of the 3 headed pitching monster or Jeffers they’ll be ok. If they trade any of those guys then they’re rebuilding. If that’s the case there’s reinforcements next year and the year after. Not the end of the world and what were the Twins to do.
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I can’t speak to the other places but working and spending a lot of time in Nashville they would find a way to get an MLB team and a stadium. The culture is infused with hundreds of thousands of transplants ready to grow Nashville with state and local money to fund it. A downtown site next to the new titans stadium prime for development coming. A population ready for the idea of MLB in Tennessee.
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I heard reporting from Phil Miller that the two groups were an internal to Minnesota group and an east coast group. That the two groups were taking a significant position( likely the 30-40% as you speak) and I believe they still have 15 years still on their current lease. I believe the new groups bought out the percentage of Pohlads no longer interested in the team while also solving this $450M problem they have while also leaving Joe Pohlad in this position he wanted with Pohlads still being the majority owner. Although the lease could be bought out I don’t believe MLB would let that happen after finally solving the A’s and Rays situations opening the door for expansion in the next CBA which will bring in more money which had been the goal for Manfred since he came in. He doesn’t want the stain of another franchise moving I believe anyways. The new minnesota group infusing more positive faces to this. Cash from the outside group. If the Pohlads had to still be in charge I guess I can see this as a win. Time will tell as long as a Pohlad still holds the final decision but at least there’s other voices in that room. That’s coming from a guy who would be happy to see the Twins just an hour away from me in Nashville too. I think this is a win for the Twins really.
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Falvey isn’t leaving. He’s not being fired. When he became president of the Twins and retained his PBO title he essentially married into the family. Without new owners he’s here to stay indefinitely.
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I think you’re right on point. Derek Falvey came from Cleveland. He’s operated like Cleveland as far as pitching goes. So we have to ask what Cleveland does with aging pitchers. Also, look at what they want d for the players traded. Pitching. Draft position players in the first couple rounds. Pitching in the middle rounds. Developed pitchers. Hit on a few per year. Ride them for a few years. If I look at Cleveland I’m gonna make the prediction that Ober gets shopped this off-season if he is solid the next few months. They either ride Ryan and Lopez through their contracts or shop them a year from now. By then you have a better idea of your next crop of SP’s. Rinse and repeat. They won’t extend Ryan.
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I would agree on Jeffers. As a guy to build around I think he is a prime candidate. Also as you pointed out we have no one else to catch and Tait is mildly far away. He would be a good candidate to split time with an aging Jeffers in 2-3years. I’d rather extend Jeffers than go shopping for a guy like Vazquez next offseason. I think they let Ryan’s natural progression play out along with Lopez. They bridge to the next crop of SP’s. As for Lewis, like other Boris clients maybe he plays it out till he’s a FA. Maybe he’s willing to take the guaranteed deal this winter the way things have gone for him. If you think Jenkins or Culpepper are legit then at least give them the deal locking them up for their prime. Keaschall… maybe this winter but they’ll have to see the next 2 months and next spring. Of course none of this probably plays out until ownership figures out what they’re doing.
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I wasn’t judging you either. I was simply saying how it’s funny that a lot of people present plans that are not based on reality. My plan would be a full article and would be based on rationality. Yes we could trade all of those guys for something but like you said that probably mires us in a 5 year rebuild plan when that’s obviously not what the franchise is doing or wanting to do despite what the average person thinks. Did they trade a lot of guys? Yes. Did they gut the team? No. There’s still plenty of building blocks here and from a business model Derek Falvey and the Pohlads would never “gut” the team. Why? Because that would completely dry up their income stream.
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I love how people plan these full scale rebuilds like it’s a video game and all these prospects turn into the 90th percentile outcome and the prospects you trade for all make it to the majors.
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I think you do whatever you can to lock up Jenkins. Either next spring depending on how he looks in spring training or the following offseason. As far as Keaschall I believe he should get a deal in spring training if it looks like he took another step forward. Ober I believe is on the Cleveland SP track where Falvey came from. If he finishes out this year strong and continues what he did last night he’s probably shopped this winter. I believe Ryan and Pablo ride out their deals as bridges to the next SP core Consisting of Hill, Abel etc.
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Love the article! The Twins lucked out on this one and it represents why the Twins shouldn’t be swimming in this end of the pool. These FA contracts almost never turn out worth it. Especially when ownership isn’t willing to supplant spending. They should have went all in after ‘23. The window was wide open to make a 2-3 year run. That window slammed shut when ownership decided to “right size” the product on the field which ultimately led to this point. Not saying we wouldn’t have gotten to this point eventually probably next year but ‘24 and ‘25 should’ve been spend what it takes to make a run. Instead the FO was hamstrung by ownership and here we are.
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I would agree with you on most of this but I strongly disagree with you and almost everyone else on the salary cap and floor. Exhibit one: Luis Severino. While the A’s might have seen this as a good move speculation also points to the fact that per the CBA and previous MLBPA grievances this signing was used as a play to avoid any problems with their move and simply keep the MLBPA off the back of the athletics and MLB. Anybody can read the CBA and the grievances but in a nutshell the Athletics were forced to buy a player past his prime for more money than he really should have got to simply show they are spending money and “playing ball”. Now times that by 30 teams. That will force teams to spend money on aging FA’s who don’t necessarily “deserve” these pay days simply to show “hey, we’re spending money.” Meanwhile they’ll have a league wide inflation where the floor and ceiling move by certain percentage points every year. Older aging players will get their payday. Owners picket more money. We all know there are angles to all of this and the strongest angles are gonna be played by owners and established players. It’s gonna be about what’s best for the business and not what’s best for baseball as a game. People need to go read this stuff. There’s a reason some of the most lucrative franchises are all in the NFL. It’s not because of what you think. There’s a reason why MLB players are the highest paid in sports. It’s because they get a bigger piece of the pie. Now do you want the money in owners hands or players hands. That’s the question.
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But then you don’t trade him. They could offer to pay Altuves contract too and receive even more. Lol
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And the miller trade is only good because of De Vries. The other guys were all lottery tickets. I seen somebody rank it and it only beat the Twins deal by a couple points.
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Abel threw a hell of a game today in his first saints start. 5IP/1H/0R/0ER/2BB/7K. I watched him pitch and he had the Detroit affiliate fooled all day. Hitting corners and getting some swings and misses and weak contact. Made some big bats look foolish. Guys like Trey Sweeney, Justin Henry Malloy, Jace Jung and Akil Badoo. Solid first start for this 23yo Twins acquisition
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Exactly! This was destined to happen. It didn’t need to happen now though. The fact that ownership “right sized” this team when they should have been pushing payroll was the problem. They should have pushed for ‘24 and ‘25. Although we might have gotten to this point in ‘26 or ‘27 they should have been making playoff runs the last 2 years and ownership hamstrung the FO. Period. This all falls on ownership. No question. Blaming the FO and specifically Falvey just shows most don’t see the whole picture for what it is and was.
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Exactly! Yes they traded their bullpen but every one of those guys were fail d starters that they made into elite relievers. They traded them and got value. The only one that puzzles me is Stewart. My guess is the dodgers seen his medicals and had to revamp the trade. The other question was Varland. Rojas seems like a perfect candidate to be their next bullpen project but then you essentially traded a good reliever for a hopefully good future reliever. All the other deals made sense really when you take emotion out of it. Correa was aging and fast. His numbers and peripherals were looking abysmal going forward. It sucks but they got themselves off the hook for a lot of money and that’s a positive moving forward for this team.
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I think it’s the other way around. The owners clearly duped Falvey. Constantly hamstringing him on every front concerning money. Not letting him add after ‘23 and dropping payroll coming off a playoff run. That offseason pointed right at ownership. They clearly offered him St. Peter’s job as successor when he was probably getting calls from other teams. Why else would he stay in Minnesota when they were subtracting as they should have been adding? They duped him to stay. If anything he’s culpable for going along with the plan of “rightsizing” but ownership was not duped by him.
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Yes, he’s aging like a typical player. When you look beyond the contract and look at all players and how their careers go he’s just simply not gonna get better. You pay the big contract for the good years he’s already had simply hoping that he has a few more and isn’t unplayable for the backend. Buying expensive aging players is simply not the right area of the pool the Twins should be playing in and they’re gonna pay for it the next 3 years to the tune of 10M a year. Was it fun? Yes, but was the fun worth the pain of having to pay a guy 10M not to play for you the next few years?
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Yes, as is every FA contract. The way MLB and the MLBPA have constructed that system over the years it’s made signing a FA such a small needle to thread. A team like the Twins should not be signing these guys. Yes, it’s exciting for fans and it’s good for aging players for getting a big payday but it hamstrings the team. Granted ownership shouldn’t have pulled the table out from under a ‘23 team that was trending up but this was bound to happen. The mistake by ownership was slamming the contention window shut with the slashing of payroll. They should have been competing for a World Series the last 2 years. But this was inevitable to happen.Teams like the Twins shouldn’t be building around an expensive FA. Correa was starting to show signs of aging and maybe you give him a couple of more years by moving him to 3B but let’s be honest, he’s not getting better. It isn’t the outcome that was gonna be different it was just the results that should have been different and for that we can blame ownership.
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I like how the sub heading to the article paints all this selling. These prospects we’re getting can be looked at as insurance. If this core continues to fail you simply bring the next guy up. Quality backups or upside at every position. If the first line can’t get it done then the next man up. You’re avoiding a rebuild by building up your minor league system. Right now it’s Buxton, Correa, Pablo and Ryan. Next is Jenkins, Keaschall, Culpepper, Abel and whoever steps up.
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No, Falvey may not be the best but he’s not stupid. Ryan is your Ace. Unless you’re getting a Juan Soto haul for him he ain’t going anywhere.
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If he didn’t any one of another 30 people would have…
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Really?????
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Or he gets hurt which he’s been good at and you get nothing. If the dodgers gave something of substance it’s a win. Even
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He was a minor league FA signing. Whatever he brings back is a win
