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Everything posted by TheLeviathan
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Well, what's the simplest explanation? We KNOW that this FO is willing to be aggressive, we've seen them do it. So what's changed? It's pretty obvious to me: the TV situation. That money dried up and so did any flexibility the FO had. I'm not sure they had the greenlight to add much of any payroll. We're seeing the pretty obvious consequences of that - an already thin pitching staff is completely sapped right now and reinforcements don't appear to be coming.
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The blame for this rests squarely with ownership. I don't blame Rocco for distrusting these guys, but he doesn't make the roster. He's got two (barely, really just 1) functional starters and three functional relievers. Ownership blocking the FO from adding has really crippled this team and is overburdened the talent we have.
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I think we see a really good defensive effort that highlights that the team is a couple better defensive linemen away from being elite and the offense is fine....but the schedule makes us a 6-11 type of team. The style Flores plays means we need much better players than Tillery to play up front. Or a better nose so that Phillips can slide over. That position group just isn't good.
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If Rocco puts Okert in there and he gets shelled, I guarantee you the usual folks would be assailing him for not putting in Alcala. He put in his 2nd or 3rd best reliever (depending on your belief of the rankings) with a four run lead. He imploded in spectacularly quick fashion. Sometimes....stupid stuff happens. Good players strike out. Good pitchers get shelled. Bad players hit homeruns at the worst time against you. That's baseball. Managing a baseball team requires a person to consider the workload of the humans in their charge. The impact of arm fatigue. Career ramifications. Personal ramifications. Effectiveness. Money. Overuse. Injury. Rocco made a perfectly reasonable call that the vast majority of the time works into a win. Then things happen and sometimes you just have to throw your hands in the air and move on. This manager, with a hamstrung budget and a ton of injuries, has the best record in baseball since April 22nd. Read that again if you need to.
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We'd have won this game if Rocco hadn't told Gobert to guard Luka at the three point line. Moron.
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We win this game if Rocco doesn't move the North Stars to Dalls and force our new team into Christmas Hockey Sweaters every night. Traitor.
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We'd have won this game if Rocco showed some energy and secured the Texas border. Useless.
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We would've won this game if Rocco doesn't tear McCarthy's menicus subbing him in the early innings against a left handed secondary.
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Clearly we lost this game because Rocco hasn't done what every other big league manager does: become an omega level telepath. A guy not running with two outs because he forgot the count/outs? All on Rocco's lazy unwillingness to control minds and avoid human error at all times. Pathetic.
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We'd have won this game if Rocco didn't ban bun(d)t cakes during postgame meals.
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If Rocco wasn't an automaton who foolishly ignores the logic of "Get ridiculously angry and yell lots = wins".....we'd have won this game. Rocco decided sugar should be bad for human health but taste so damn good.
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We'd have won this game if Rocco let starters pitch after the 4th inning. Little known fact, we wouldn't have to shovel snow if not for Baldelli.
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We'd have won this game if Rocco just mastered the space time continum so he could use hindsight like all us toxic geniuses.
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I won't hold my breath! To be clear, my argument that the division rivals were being dinks in no way absolves ownership. They have had the FO setup to fail since November. Poor Falvey has to try and trade without adding salary and some snickering fool in Detroit thinks Jenkins is a fair trade ask. Then he has to slink in front of the media and protect the guys cutting him at the knees. Ridiculous.
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It can be both though right? I'm not saying the Twins didn't hold themselves back (ownership at least), but it could be that their own limitations were only further limited by idiocy with some potential trading partners. At least that's where I'm at: The Twins didn't do enough. Part of that is definitely because they put draconian restraints on themselves, but part of it is also because many of the most attractive assets that fit their needs were on teams that made it even more difficult by demanding ridiculous trade packages to consumate a deal. It need not be mutually exclusive. And I find that the MOST likely scenario.
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Your argument that X won't do Y because it doesn't make sense and is wildly incompetent is not how the world works. It's the classic is/ought fallacy. Your line of reason can be proven wrong by reality in many, many ways. I'll give a few profound examples from baseball alone: the Oakland Athletics. The Florida Marlins. Franchises who have basically decided that their operational philosophies are "Did you thoroughly piss off a baseball loving home sapien today?" Or the Twins - who decided to pinch pennies after their first time winning a playoff game since sliced bread. Or the Twins who looked at Bally's and said "What could go wrong?" Or MLB that thinks regional blackouts are totally fine for, like, several decades. Or pretty much every MLB team thinking the best way to build future athletes is to feed them McDonalds, live in a shack, and workout with rocks tied to sticks. Not a god damn one of those things makes any sense. Or would seem "likely" for an organization to do in any rational world. And yet.....here we are. Perhaps the old "don't trade in your own division" isn't some made up thing, but a relic that hasn't died no matter how badly it should.
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Totally get you, but nothing short-sighted, stupid, or irrational surprises me in baseball. I mean...you've seen the leaked trade talks from the Astros scandal right? It defies explanation. The Twins should have done more this offseason and done more not to put themselves in this situation. It's also possible that other teams do things that make absolutely no sense. After all...ours certainly does.
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It's about the degree of "better" they are demanding. More than that, none of us have any problem believing the Twins are willing to do dumb, irrational things. We're living in that moment right now by a decade's worth of dumb decisions on their broadcasting alone. (And I'm sure we could come up with a lengthy list of others!) A blind chimp could've seen the problems coming and yet....here we are. Not everything everyone does is rational. And definitely not in baseball where tradition matters far more than common sense.
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I absolutely do believe it. The quotes in Gleeman's article and Hayes confirm that and neither of them are Sid Hartman. They don't run that quote without some understanding that it's legitimate. Do I believe they may have come down somewhat? Yes, but if that's your starting point, it's already a negotiation that is unlikely to be fruitful. We've seen leaked trade discussions - teams absolutely do inexplicable, stupid things in negotiations. As fans, we want to believe teams just do normal, rational things and have normal, rational trade discussions. But we know that's not true. The Twins convinced themselves to sit out the offseason because of their own ridiculous decision making on broadcasting. They've used "well this guy is coming off the IL is like making a trade" to justify things. Baseball, more than any other sport, is full of individuals and organizations that don't get out of their own way ALL THE TIME. So...yes, I absolutely believe other MLB clubs make old-timey, short-sighted, stupid decisions quite regularly.
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Well, it's worth considering whether a player's performance is likely to continue....no? There are red flags in that profile. Pretty serious ones. I'd also have taken the gamble, but it in no way helps the biggest issue that should've been addressed. We needed a starting pitcher and our options were just dreadfully limited. That said, had there been options, I'm pretty confident money would've been the bigger issue than trade price. We won't know because this deadline offered jack squat worth acquiring. (Other than Eflin. That one I can concede should've been a reasonable target to go after)
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