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  1. FIP has more subjectivity than, say, OBP. It's about the levels, stats like WAR and a few others certainly have a higher component than many others. Basically, any "value" stats are going to be more subjective than others.
  2. Jorgenwest already tried to help you on this. And the original posters point was on the same thing. I'm not sure how you got on this tangent, but it's a strawman. No one doubts that if you are given 5 x 2 you'll get 10. Of course that's objective. But it isn't whether 5 x 2 is objective or subjective, it's the question of whether it should be 5 or should be 2 and the decisions made in that regard. What's subjective is deciding it should be 5 or should be 2. What you decide to incorporate and how you weigh it is an act of choosing what is most important. That is, by definition, subjective. Now, you can have strong reasons for doing so. You can test it and find the results in line with what you are trying to measure, but nonetheless there are elements that are subjective. Hell, on WAR alone we have multiple ways to calculate it based on what different places choose to weigh. That doesn't eliminate them from being useful, but it pretty much squashes the "objective" argument.
  3. The conversation is not about whether people can read a formula and put it in a calculator, the question is whether the formula itself is too subjective. I don't think that was unclear from the discussion. Your point seems to be an unnecessary quibble given that.
  4. The problem is that OF cannot be elite. What Buxton can provide, if he becomes what we hope, is elite. And it elevates Rosario and Kepler. I hope people don't take too much from Buxton crushing fastballs the first two weeks of spring. April is our true test, anything before that is just nice to hear, but mostly meaningless.
  5. I hope he keeps the K's in check and uses last season as the motivation to put it all together this year.
  6. Correct. I hear the proponents proclaim loudly how they understand that one year samples are not necessarily great use of the metrics, but then think nothing of citing WAR in a one year sample. I look at defensive metrics, I'm not as skeptical as Chief, but the blinders go on REAL fast for a lot of people. It's not purposeful, I think people just like having the quick and dirty stats and frequently forget how dirty they really are.
  7. I also think, should things not go well for the team, that he has more value as a trade target.
  8. I'm not defending anyone, other than against the torches. I too, would like to see Sano stay a little safer in his choices to avoid injuries, but this sounds like dumb luck.
  9. Buxton's spring training performance was brutal last year but you dismissed that (and the equally putrid start to 2018) with injuries. Buxton struck out in one third of his plate appearances in the minors in 2018but yet, he "tore it up" and Sano was bad. (Despite, you know, better numbers). Buxton continues to have similar, reoccurring injury problems. Buxton has had long, crippling stretches of awful hitting. I hope all of those facts are included in that position breakdown as well. I dislike it when someone professes to be analyzing when they are actually doing something more like proselytizing. You are entitled to your opinion that Buxton is more likely to bust out for the Twins. But the amount of Ks he piled up in AAA, the amount of time he missed with injuries, and the putrid start he had last year should be parts of the analysis. I hope they are and it's not all rose-colored glasses and duckies and bunnies. Sano deserved criticism and optimism. Buxton deserves both too.
  10. So the first page it's all Sano and the Twins fault? As Parker has told us more, those posts look apology-worthy. Sano had an accident happen and went to the doctor. Doctor took care of him. Twins check doctor's work and OK it. (So much so that plugged-in Reusse dismisses injury as irrelevant) A few weeks later the Twins re-check and healing isn't going as hoped. Que some of you losing your minds. You know what that scenario is? Bad luck. It happens in treating injuries all the time. No one is at fault. Should probably rethink how quick some of you grabbed the torches.
  11. I'll be eager to see if this particular line stays the same for our other centerpiece player. Because it matches 100% for him as well. Also, no one is saying not to worry about Sano. I'm bullish on him but I'm still worried. Same for Buxton. Same for Kepler. Pointing out that there are positives with Sano is not saying there is nothing to worry about, that's a strawman you're creating.
  12. It's not about focus, it's about how the numbers are interpreted. You called Byron Buxton's 2018 minor league stint with terms like "tearing it up" and then described Sano as "struggling". Which isn't born out by the numbers at all. (Especially if you want to look at strikeouts, because Buxton struck out at a higher rate than Sano did!) You have a personal perspective of optimism about Buxton and more skepticism about Sano. That's ok to say. But the analysis of their flaws/strengths need not involve that and it is clearly coloring this particular article.
  13. I look forward to Byron Buxton,.600 OPS CFer, racking up WAR for us I suppose. World Series of WAR here we come! I would just prefer if your analysis on their offensive performances was more consistent. It's like watching someone taste test two glasses of the same pop and calling it Pepsi once and Whiskey the second time. We need significant offensive improvement from both players. And there are plenty of concerns and hopes to go around depending on what you cherry pick. I hope more analysis here weighs those pros and cons without the cherry picking or personal feelings is all.
  14. Great post, while I agree that he was partially down to work on pitch recognition, there is definitely a glass half-full slant on Sano's concerns. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the exact opposite slant from Nick when it's Buxtons turn, with similar issues to face.
  15. Many owners threaten politicians into tax levies. The building they are overcharging you to enter was also paid by taxpayers. And they are lowering player salaries while upping your costs as a consumer. Why you fall on the sword for them is beyond me, but I know the thanks you'll get for your loyalty. They'll raise your prices, blame the players, and laugh to the bank about suckers.
  16. If you truly believe this paragraph then I stand by my earlier statement: You are out of touch with the dynamics of this business. You're also, apparently, immune to facts. Most of this paragraph is simply untrue and the rest of it misses the point.
  17. Who is setting the ticket prices? Owners keep charging all of us more in our taxes and at the gate. And every year they keep more and more of it for themselves. Never, in anything I've read about capitalism, was the idea to extort the public through the government, to build private business and then horde the profits. That ain't capitalism. The players get a slice of the pie that the owners keep the bulk of. And the owners keep growing the pie at our expense. You're getting suckered.
  18. Well, by that logic there are probably far, far worse things we all give our money to at a point it becomes absurd. So, it's probably not a well reasoned argument.
  19. Why are pampered billionaires extorting me for my taxes? For all this capitalism we sure seem to be using socialism when it comes to building the infrastructure these billionaires use to make enormous profits. Everyone comparing MLB to Microsoft or some other company is trying to compare apples to whales and call it legit. That's....ridiculous. There are no good guys here and most of you lambasting the players are really, really out of touch with the dynamics of this. I'm not putting the players on some pedestal either, just making the most of bad choices. And choosing, personally, not to give either of them a dime of my money again.
  20. I'm not sure LoMo's past is all the different than Cron's. They are pretty similar to my glance. My concern is that his prior production that Nick is citing as consistent, might have been so because he was being played selectively to protect him from being over-exposed. He had pretty consistent production throughout last year, so if there is an adjustment to be made it doesn't seem like it was discovered last year. Nevertheless, baseball is a game of adjustments and what happened to LoMo was an inability to adjust to what was being done to limit him. I anticipate much the same with Cron. And, for the record, I don't have much confidence in Cave either. It's part of why I'm happy to have Marwin Gonzalez.
  21. If all we wanted was a placeholder we already had Austin. I imagine, after this year, we'll look at LoMo and Cron much the same way - we bought high (not in terms of cost, in terms or production expectations) and we received low. As a general rule I prefer to buy high on what is likely to stay high or buy low on upside. Cron offers the worst of both worlds. I hope I'm wrong though.
  22. I think Cron ends up looking like another Morrison move.
  23. Eh, I just think that term is loaded with meaning for people. And it just doesn't apply to Gonzalez. The ceiling/floor argument doesn't do much for me. I want Kimbrel signed, but I'm not sure he's going to radically increase our ceiling either. Not for wins any way.
  24. I don't consider Nick Gordon any better a player than Austidillo at this point. Or Adrianza, hence why Schoop would immediately come to mind. And if Sano is being move to 1B....the guy getting benched is Cron, not Sano. You're trying to put the spotlight on Sano, but I'm trying to show you the insurance is more evenly spread out than that. In fact, if I had to order it....2B, 1B, CF (by way of RF), 3B would be the top four with quite a drop off after that. I think this is ride or die time for Sano and the organization will give him that chance. Cron and Schoop? They don't have any equity to struggle.
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