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  1. TheLeviathan
    Gonna need more popcorn now!
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    I had/have accepted that. Then a hypothetical was posed that made the matter more confusing. Subsequent explanations to me and Brooks have only furthered confusion. That hypothetical, and the dubious logic behind it, are to blame. But I'm done with it, Ashbury is right, clarity here is a futile endeavor beyond what has been said.
  4. TheLeviathan
    Holy monkey balls Nick. You introduced a theoretical in post 56. Could you go back and read that again? Maybe, just maybe, you can see how that wasn’t a productive way to illustrate your point. I’ll let it drop here, but it’s really unfair to Frame your stance as cold hard facts and mine as hypothetical after you laid out that scenario. And it’s that scenario that lead to this point.
  5. TheLeviathan
    Please go read Nick's hypothetical again and save your obtuse accusations.
  6. TheLeviathan
    Fine. Though I'd have an easier time not pressing if the responses stopped becoming more vexing each time. We went from a loose, easy enough explanation to trying to argue in a hypothetical whether you'd take Gordon (a fringe topp 100 prospect) or a dude who just got waived. And it was implied that the waiver claim is the right answer. Now my brain hurts trying to wrap around that.
  7. TheLeviathan
    What Gordon could fetch in a trade is absolutely better than Cron. That should not be a disputed claim. Unless you think Gordon is worth less than it took to acquire Cron. Do you think Gordon's value is beneath nothing?
  8. TheLeviathan
    And even if he's not, Nick can't possibly, seriously contend Nick Gordon's value is less than nothing or Luis Gil. Which is sorta what he suggested. So going back to the scenario Nick posed...no one in their right mind would refuse Gordon for Cave or Cron. You'd make that swap in a heartbeat and sign Adam Jones. Or some other 4th outfielder. Or deal for Santana. And you'd come out way ahead. If the FO refused a Gordon-esque prospect for Cron or CaveI'd want them immediately fired.
  9. TheLeviathan
    Sure! But then Wander Javier being 16th ahead of all three makes absolutely no sense. He will provide nothing to this Twins team. Jay made a great post on the first page, I'd suggest Nick take it under consideration as this series continues.
  10. TheLeviathan
    Santana from the Brewers was just dealt for far less than Gordon. I get being intrigued by Cave, but guys like him are ST casualties all the time. Arguing either Cron or Cave is more valuable than Gordon is completely unsupported by facts.
  11. TheLeviathan
    He declined to play for one of the top 3 teams in the league in a better climate. He chose money. As would most all human beings. I’d like to think this is our nail in the coffin scenario for the “it isn’t all about the money” nonsense.....but I’m not that optimistic. Cruz is the norm, not the exception....so good for him to cash in on his success.
  12. TheLeviathan
    Lofty? Who said that? Shall we review the cost the Twins had to pay to acquire these guys? (Hint: one was nothing) You think Gordon has less value than that?
  13. TheLeviathan
    Um....that seems like a no brainer Nick. I can replace Cron or Cave pretty inexpensively. Acquiring fringe top 100 prospects? Not so much.
  14. TheLeviathan
    I don't want to argue about the rankings, I will just try to make sense of them the best I can. But it seems to me that the Twins almost certainly could trade Gordon tomorrow for a significantly better player than Cron or Cave to help this organization.
  15. TheLeviathan
    All of that is fine, but it does make things choppy to argue the list about trade value for one guy and present value for another. If Javier is 16th due to trade value, then it makes no sense for Gordon to be behind Cave or Cron. I don’t want to nitpick, but this is meant to be a fun conversational piece and a lack of clear method is going to derail it. It’ll feel like some random, dumb power rankings rather than meat for good conversation. The explanations only muddle this IMO.
  16. TheLeviathan
    Ok...that explains Cron and Gordon.....but then Javier is 16th and none of this makes any sense again. There is no way he has more present value to the Twins than anyone on the big league roster. And probably a dozen dudes in AAA. I love him as a prospect to watch though, but he torpedoes this whole explanation with his ranking.
  17. TheLeviathan
    Nope - rotation. Fill the pen in FA and let this kid start.
  18. TheLeviathan
    Yup, FA plays by one rule: Pay the man. Time to do the same for a few more men. Preferably men who pitch.
  19. TheLeviathan
    I'm happy the team was not content with Austin or Cron as DH. I think Cruz has a huge year. I love that he is a vet with a ton to offer this team. Great signing.
  20. TheLeviathan
    I agree. They won’t blow up the combine but they are so technically sound and hard working they carve out long careers. Those two and Coughlin jump out when you watch them.
  21. TheLeviathan
    For wise reasons, these players don't consider teams other than the West Coast. But, hey! We're kicking tires!
  22. TheLeviathan
    At the rate of this offseason, we should be contemplating trading Gibson. So, yeah, but default you can't extend him.
  23. TheLeviathan
    This is a racket. Racket I say!
  24. TheLeviathan
    I like signing Cruz....but that only makes the Cron acquisition more befuddling.
  25. TheLeviathan
    While you are technically correct on the first portion of your response, I feel that is too convenient/kind/(struggling for the right word). I don't think frustration over spending is solved by saying "yeah, but look at these non-zero allocations of payroll!". We have plenty of money to do a lot this offseason. I hope the second half of what you said is true, but if that happens it also might no longer qualify as "standing pat" either.
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