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  1. If anybody has read any of the other Rule 5 articles over the last few days, let me attempt to summarize a response that the title of this article is asking: No.
  2. I think the premise here is a little misguided. It's not necessarily about HOW much they spend, but WHO they spend it on. Buxton's contract is very team friendly for what he brings to the table. He will gat paid more by producing more. To plug a dollar amount on the team salary and think that means they are going to win is wishful thinking. There is a correlation between higher salaries and wins, but salary alone does not make MN a premium destination. This is why there is a true internal push to resign Correa. His name alone will help in recruiting talent here, regardless of the dollars.
  3. I have always wondered what makes a Twins fan a Twins fan,,, Part of being a fan of your club is knowing the idiosyncrasies of your team. In previous years it was "pitch to contact" or the "Terry Ryan way". Knowing that Gardenhire was going to get ejected the moment warnings were issued after an opposing pitcher hit a Twins batter without the Twins doing anything.... If you can't accept that the Pohlad's are not going to spend all their money to win baseball games, why are you a Twins fan? Go root for the Yankees, Dodgers, or Rangers (after the insane contract they just doled out for DeGrom). Part of the Ride, at least for me, is knowing these limitations and seeing how the Twins can exceed them. The first 100 games of 2022 were a perfect example. The Bomba Squad was another. But read through this site right now and see comments that are more Results oriented. I want to hear from those individuals to explain their position. Not just an emotional rant, but talk about why you are Results oriented. My guess is it's not gonna happen...
  4. This is an excellent point that I neglected to consider... However, in perusing the the extensive negative comments posted on this website over the last few months about the state of Twins baseball, the lack of spending on payroll, and the "collapse" of the team over the last portion of the season, I feel there is benefit to this question at this time. It is an interesting double standard that many people who claim to be long time Twins fans continue to complain and complain about all things Twins related without winning the World Series. Disappointment yes, but the vitriol? We have yet to hear from that large subset of Results oriented posters. We know they are there, every decision that does not end positively or immediately gets destroyed. Where are those individuals?
  5. Very true. But after I type this, I am going to go buy a lottery ticket and think about what may come....
  6. When Kent Hrbek was still playing for the Twins, he gave an interview where he said he wanted to retire and become a masked professional wrestler under the name "Tyrannosaurus Rex". I can read between the lines here... sounds like the Twins have a 1B coming out of retirement!
  7. Santana wasn't technically a Rule 5 pick by the Twins. He was a Rule 5 pick for the Marlins, then the teams swapped R5 picks giving the Twins Santana.. The Twins have had some success pulling guys out of the draft: Shane Mack Scott Diamond Ryan Pressly They have also lost a little as well: RA Dickey This article is a few years old, but gives a nice overview of the Twins R5 history: https://twinstrivia.com/twins-rule-5-draft-history/
  8. What about the ride when you have a 60 win team? I wouldn't say we have been spoiled, but generally speaking the Twins have been pretty decent. Since 2000, they have the 12th most wins in all of baseball (8th in playoff appearances), in the playoff hunt almost every year. Most of the younger fans here don't truly remember the miseries of the mid-90's. Can you enjoy the ride when you know the year is lost before it even starts?
  9. You are correct, I misspoke. Thanks for the correction.
  10. I will be honest folks. I probably enjoy the offseason as much as I do the regular season. So much optimism and hope, so many possibilities. What move might the Twins make? Who will improve? What else is happening around the league? That leads me to my question: What matters to you more: the ride or the results? Lets get this out of the way first. We all want the Twins to win the World Series. But do you consider the season a loss if the Twins don't win it all? Was last year a success for the Twins in your eyes? Can you enjoy the ride for what it is or was? On the other side, can you enjoy the year even if you know the Twins are going to be terrible? Can you enjoy the forest through the trees, looking for individual wins or gains here and there? Or do you shut it down and only pay small attention to a team that has no chance of winning? For me, it is always about the ride. I am curious as to where you stand and why?
  11. Ace is so subjective. Does he have #2 starter potential? Yes. That is why the Twins gambled on him in the first place. Think big picture folks: He regains his pre surgery form, the Twins extend him for a year or two at a reasonable cost. He could be a mainstay in the rotation for a while. He dominates and the Twins have a young, pitcher in the fold they can try to keep or move for other capital. This is the type of lottery ticket a team like the Twins will always chase.
  12. It is hard to call it a conundrum when the entirety of the the OF consists of unproven youth, AAAA players, a lower end starting OF (Kepler) and Mr. Injury himself. Hopefully one of the younger guys will take a huge step this year to spread out the pack.
  13. I am not saying that he holds off signing an extension until the complete end of arbitration. But signing an extension now would be considerably lower than it would be if he repeats last year and looks to extend next offseason.
  14. ROY candidates typically come from having the opportunity to play. If SWR or Varland are in the rotation coming out of camp it would be somewhat surprising. Wallner is probably lower on the depth chart than we think. The other two are not realistic at this point (Lewis with his injury). Injuries or an organizational direction change will be needed for the Twins to have a ROY candidate...
  15. Sorry Mike, but I disagree: The Twins have actually had a pretty good lineage of Catchers going back to Butch Wynegar (people forget how good he was) Harper Ortiz Steinbach Blanco Pierzynski Mauer Redmond Suzuki All above average catchers (or extremely above average). Heck, even Laudner was an all-star one year. Jeffers has shown the ability to be above average, the question is can he regain that form, even if only partially? I am not as down on our catching as most. In today's world, Catchers are like Kickers in the NFL. They are generally afterthoughts. You pay if you have a rock-star, otherwise you find the right guys that can handle it or fit your team mold.
  16. 1) The obvious 2) Fix the plate approach he took last year due to injury: don't try to hit everything out of the park, get the average back up. For whatever reason, some people are just not physically designed to hold up to the rigors of a full season. Our manager is a great example. I don't think you can coddle him or "protect" him, because nothing will change. You just play him as much as possible and keep your fingers crossed. Byron Buxton will ultimately retire as another, possibly the greatest, in an unfortunate Twins legacy of "what if": Kirby Puckett (how many more years if not the HBP) Jason Kubel (knee) Corey Koskie (concussion) Justin Morneau (concussion) Francisco Liriano (TJ) Joe Mauer (concussion) Byron Buxton
  17. I agree this is a big year for him. Walk year... The big argument FOR Kepler at this point is the shift change. The data out there says Kepler has lost the 2nd most hits in the majors due to shift over the last few years (I have posted it elsewhere), something to the tune of a 50 point drop in his BA. It was the difference between .220 and .270. A Kepler with a .270 BA is probably in the discussion for an extension. That is the reason for optimism and probably a roll of the dice for $8M. I am also not as high as others on any of the OF names you mentioned, including Gordon. In an ideal world, Kepler is your 4th OF acting as insurance for Buxton and still playing 100 games per year. But the reality is that outside of Nimmo, there are no surefire OF FA that would be a huge upgrade over Kepler.
  18. How many fans were trampled in effort to get their favorite player?
  19. Your contract offer seems reasonable. But if I am Joe Ryan, I am not sure I take that offer this year. If next year is similar to last year, (not unreasonable), that offer could rise dramatically. How much does he want to bet on himself?
  20. Not looking at last year, looking at this year. I think the shift rule changes will help him. If the Twins believe that as well, those numbers for a league avg offense are not bad. Teams also value the known vs. the unknown, which helps his cause. That being said, I would have no problem if the Twins looked to upgrade and recruit over him.
  21. Sounds right NIck, I think this contract offer would get it done. I also think it is probably 10% higher than anything he would be offered (though it may be what it takes to get him to come here). I think the opt outs would be necessary, as the Twins would probably be promising him a a better complimentary cast. If it doesn't happen, he could leave. We all would need to understand the last 3 years we would be overpaying for his skills, but the 10 years is less scary with his age than some of the others. I also agree the bigger picture needs to be looked at: Ownership and the FO would need to use this contract as a stepping stone, not an excuse. There would need to be some willingness to push the Twins self-imposed salary cap when needed. Not sure if I see that happening over the long haul.
  22. Again, we are back to what the Twins are truly expecting to accomplish this year. If they are in win-now mode, Abreu makes sense on a two year. high AAV deal. He can rotate in and out of the DH/1B slot with Arraez. The downside is that Arraez would need to play other positions for 30ish games over the year. Not sure it f the Twins want to do that. It would also help if the Twins could bring in another strong defender for the 3B/SS slot to help take some of the heat off of Abreau when he is in the field. Outside of positional defense, he fits almost every hole the Twins are looking to fill. If this is a reload year (not rebuild, we have too many pieces), then makes no sense at all.
  23. Short answer: No Still too many variables left to be answered: Will he regress at the plate? Can he actually play 3B? If they thought he could play 3B, why didn't give him more innings there last year? I am not saying he won't, but putting all your eggs in one basket right now is foolish. This topic needs to be revisited in February.
  24. 1) Long term contracts for players on the wrong side of 30 rarely do not work out for the entirety of the contract. You typically are vastly overpaying for the last third of the deal. Few teams can truly afford to do this and carry dead salary, the Twins are not one of them. 2) Pitchers and health are such a crapshoot. The general risk is high. Without having any statistics in front of me, I would bet that the longer contracts have an insanely high risk of time lost due to injury, not including time getting back to full strength. 3) The Twins have avoided anything longer than 4 years since the dawn of time. Most of your "dial movers" will get contracts exceeding that, which puts the Twins out of the running. High AAV on shorter deals will only get you so far. 4) If you truly believe that this offseason will be lost if they do not sign Rodon, prepare to feel the pain. He will get overpaid by somebody, and in a few years we will look back and be glad we didn't sign him.
  25. You think I am making assumptions about your behavior, Yet you make assumptions that the prices of the jerseys are what they are without knowing what the costs are going into it. I am going to stop here due to the path of this discussion.
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