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  1. But he has played it. Not saying he will, but he very well could. Please remind me: how many innings did Arraez have at 1B prior to the season?
  2. I imagine this will get torn apart, but oh well... I really like this move. I think the Twins maybe overpaid a bit, but he should bring value to this team, on both offense and defense. I have mentioned this numerous times that this guy would be the ones the Twins should take a flier on. He is another guy the change in shift rules should really help. He can also play CF and a little 1B. An outfield of Gallo, Buxton, and Kepler would be the best defensive outfield in baseball. That is nothing to sneeze at. (Still waiting for an indication Kepler will be traded). He is not the second coming, but he does raise the floor. You know what you are getting here.
  3. First, thank you for posting this article. I understand fans being emotional about their teams and wanting them to win, but so few take the time to think things through. There are always 50 moving parts in a deal like this, but the focus tends to be on the 2-3 things that are made public. Second, players are not automatons. For example, an offer may not be made because the player is from Florida and wants to play closer to his family. Conversely, a player may want to stay closer to his family. Maybe a player wants to live in a bigger market. Read up on Kent Hrbek's FA and look what the Tigers offered him vs what he took from the Twins to stay in MN. Many factors go into these decisions that have nothing to do with the money aspect.
  4. Actually it doesn't. We aren't talking about waving a trade clause, or accepting a buyout. This would be a complete overhaul of the contract. As I said, on paper it would appear to solely benefit the player. But it creates a slippery slope that the Union would be very, very nervous to cross.
  5. Stop bringing logic to an emotional argument. You make everybody look bad.
  6. I am going to politely disagree with you Mike. I have used the phrase retooling over the last few weeks when I talk about this. The Twins already have a fair amount of talent currently on the roster, especially when you are talking about the AL Central. If they were completely rebuilding, then yes, those players would likely be gone. We would be talking about 2-3 years (at least) before winning would be expected. As they are retooling, I think that is why you are seeing them basically stand pat. They have almost an entire starting rotation coming back from injury. Jeffers, Miranda, Gordon, Ryan, need to show they can maintain at this level. They may be betting on a Kepler rebound with the shift going away. But they still have a decent core in Buxton, Polanco, Arraez. Add Farmer and Vazquez as viable pieces... who knows? They could win 70 or they could lose 70. They are still in a a position to add salary if they win.
  7. I think the Twins knew where things stood when they made their offers a few weeks ago. That doesn't mean they are or were going to go out and sign a different high dollar SS. They also weren't going to pull it off the table on the slim chance he said yes. Either way, the Twins did not get played.
  8. Gray is a cheap(ish) veteran transition piece, Mahle is a potential long term keeper. The Twins have too much potential youth talent to gut everything. That is why they won't chop everything down just yet. If the kids show something, they will need those guys.
  9. Why is everybody thinking the Twins got hustled or fleeced by Boras? Do we actually think that we as fans know Boras and the rest of the teams FO are full of fools? We seriously need to find a different excuse here... Anybody think that maybe the Twins are "playing" the Yankees? Rodon is not coming here, why not work to boost his salary another team pays... You know what you get when you deal with Boras, he will do everything in his power to get the most money for his clients. Period. By all accounts the Twins had a very solid offer on the table that was destroyed by the Giants insanity. The Correa dealings had basically zero impact on other FA signings for the Twins (outside of the other big name FA shortstops). Yeah, I said zero impact. It didn't stop them from getting Vazquez. The Twins are basically showing that they want to give their youth movement a year to see how they do. They have enough talent to supplement things later if the season starts positive. Go FA contract by contract and find me the ones that were not overpays? Andrew Heaney threw 72 IP last year and got 2/$25 Kenley Jensen 2/$32 with a ton of red flags Bassitt 3/$63 at the age of 34! Stripling got 2/$25 after one good year I am not going to even touch on DeGrom or the Mets Argue that this is the market if you want. Argue the Twins aren't willing to pay what other teams are paying. But stop with the "Boras is looking for top dollar and every FO is too stupid to know this" argument.
  10. I don't believe the FO failed here. What exactly did they fail with? Not paying Correa a ludicrous contract? They won't lower prices, but I think offering more ticket discount specials and programs would help with attendance.
  11. You are correct. Years past they had 1-2 guys that would draw in fans: Kirby Puckett Kent Hrbek Joe Mauer Johan Santana Torii Hunter Buxton could be that, but his health won't allow it
  12. I might have liked this comment, but I don't want to get in trouble.
  13. This isn't true. IMO the needle movers can be different for every team. The Twins signing Vazquez is a needle mover for them because he (should be) a demonstrable offensive and defensive upgrade at catcher. Some of these guys may be slight upgrades, but will cost excessively more than the guys the Twins currently have on the books. Now you are into cost-benefit discussions. I am all for taking fliers, but the cost needs to be low, and there needs to be a real chance of a benefit. Joey Gallo is a perfect example of a flier. Great defensive player, great power, how much will his offense improve with the shift rule changes. That being said, I would only sign him to a MiLB contract.
  14. What is really sad here is that this signing is a positive in almost every way. The contract is relatively low for a top-half catcher who is considered a good clubhouse guy and fairly durable. It doesn't cost them a ton of prospects either. As if signing Correa and doing nothing else will win them the AL Central this year...
  15. The only way this would work is if the Twins had younger players that were actually producing. Think back to the early-to-mid 2000's when it felt like every player that came up had success. I think the Twins would be more comfortable spending large if they truly believed it would put them over the top. Our current youth movement has shown very little at this stage...
  16. I have a hard time seeing the Players Union agreeing to a renegotiation of the Stanton contract. In theory, it benefits the player, but it sets a dangerous precedence for the future.
  17. I do not disagree with your assessment. But everyone is acting like there is a ton of smoke regarding Kepler being traded when in actuality there really is none.
  18. I wouldn't use the word "downgrade" to discuss this group as a whole, but there really aren't any needle movers here. Outside of the BP guys, the rest are guys that would be more complimentary to an established team. In that sense, there really isn't much that would drive paying these guys higher salaries than what we currently have.
  19. I think the lack of moves being made by the Twins so far has to be pushing him in other directions. We know he wants to get paid, but does he want to sit through a few years of mediocracy hoping that things turn around?
  20. The Twins are not going to sign Rodon. Correa signing here will not impact the Twins approach to the FA market. The last few days has seen a large portion of potential names that would move the Twins needle sign or be traded elsewhere. Now what? Please save your complaining about the FO for another thread. I would like to know what options you think the Twins realistically have left. Trades? Youth movement? (For those of you fighting off a heart attack about the Twins potentially entering retool or rebuild mode, I recommend you get your affairs in order...)
  21. Not sure I see any fit here if we are talking OF for OF. Yankees have nothing the Twins want. Diamondbacks are in a situation similar to the Twins
  22. I am not trying to sound snarky here, but outside of MLB Trade Rumors reporting on Aaron's Gleeman's vague Athletic article, has there been any validation that the Twins are truly looking to move Kepler? I do not recall seeing anything anywhere.
  23. I am not going to attempt to swing any of the "trade Kepler" opinions, but I do think some of the discussions here regarding his value are accurate: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/max-kepler-has-drawn-trade-interest.html
  24. Years since last playoff appearance: Phillies - 10 Tigers - 8 Angels - 8 Royals - 7 Pirates - 7 Rangers - 6 An absolute joke? I think your vitriol needs some perspective... Again, the Twins have been in the playoffs 3 times in the last 6 years. Last year they were in 1st place on Aug 7. They were 1 game out on Sept 5. It is not hard to argue that they should have made the playoffs last year. You can complain about them falling apart at the end of the season. You can complain about them losing in the playoffs. But I think any of those teams listed above would rather be in our shoes than their own when it comes to results.
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